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#136791 9-Dec-2013 10:54
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Hi all. I am wanting to get (and install) some outdoor speakers for my parents for Xmas. I was envisioning installing them under a veranda pointing to their swimming pool that is about 40 - 50 metres away.

The other option is to lay wires and have speakers that are located around the actual pool, although there would be no cover for them at all with this option. Also I guess running speaker wire this far would not be practical?

They have a Bose lifestyle system inside, so was thinking I would run the speakers from this, with perhaps some easy way to switch between outdoor/indoor speakers?

Does anyone have any recommendations as to what approach to take and what speakers to go for? Ideally the budget would be $300 to $400, but could spend up to $800 maybe if that's the only way to get decent music to the pool.

Any help or recommendations very much appreciated.

Thanks,
George.

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  #947891 9-Dec-2013 11:40
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Whoa - 40-50 metres to project "decent music" to a pool is in the realm of very serious PA equipment. Not practically do-able - especially if you've got neighbours within a km or three.

Something much closer would be the way to go, choices dependent on what power source you've got by the pool, and how much trouble and expense you would want to go to to set it all up. It's probably more convenient to have the source, be it ipod or whatever, controlled locally.

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  #947910 9-Dec-2013 11:53
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Wow, your parents must live in a rural area (with that far between pool and house)?

The Bose has built in support for Multizone, you can get a extra zone with outdoor speakers pretty reasonably on Trademe (that's where I got mine from) - It comes with a separate amplifier and speakers which connect back to the main acoustimass unit, but I don't know if it will be enough to get the sound working 50 meters away. I would be looking ot the pros for that.

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  #948020 9-Dec-2013 13:25
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Thanks for the replies.

Yip, they live rurally, so no neighbours to worry about :)

The Bose is quite old (10 years) so wouldn't support any mutlizone wifi type arrangement.

Actually rethinking the distance it's probably more likely 30 to 35 metres. Am not expecting great sound at that distance of course, just so that you can hear the music at an okay level. They can currently turn on the bose inside and just hear it faintly with the windows and doors open but figured some dedicated outside speakers attached to the house directed to the pool would improve things a lot. It sounds like that wouldn't be a great option though from what you guys are saying. I also assume running 25 to 30 metres of speaker wire for speakers by the pool is simply a no go then too? What is the max distance you can run wiring for, for your average home system?

The other option is the pool shed (about 10 to 15 metres away), which I guess I could house a new system in and run wires from there or just put the speakers on the side of that. I am just not sure if the oldies would get into having to use another system setup outside like that. I know they would prefer to run it off the Bose for simplicity.

In any case, can most outside speakers really handle being exposed directly out in the elements? Or do you have to spend a heap to get ones like that?



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  #948165 9-Dec-2013 15:41
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Check the Bose unit as some of them may be set for 4 Ohms, most speakers are 6 or (more commonly) 8.

Outdoor speakers do need some weatherproofing or moisture will destroy the cones & corrode the coil.

Hardware stores have been known to have them, used to sell some disguised as rocks which were ok.

Otherwise, just get a unit with bluetooth and cart it out when needed.




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  #948181 9-Dec-2013 16:00
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Their Bose will do multizone (they have done it for years).

There will be a din connector on the Bass module or Main unit, into which a cable goes which can be run to the multizone amp, into which the outdoor speakers will connect. As above, be careful of Impedance (Bose actually do make pretty good outdoor speakers, which are fine to be left outside).

Here are the amplifiers:
http://worldwide.bose.com/axa/en_nz/web/consumer_amplifiers/page.html

And the speakers on this page:
http://worldwide.bose.com/axa/en_nz/web/outdoor_and_marine_speakers/page.html

I have an older pair of the 251s, and they go well. I have the smaller amp, but it has no problems pumping out the audio.
The Link cable from main unit to extra Amp is about 10m, you can use speaker cables of whatever length you like. You could also get another RF remote for it for the outside zone only (in theory, you should be able to watch a DVD inside and listen to the radio outside etc).

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  #948935 10-Dec-2013 20:26
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If you're looking to achieve decent volume over a great distance such as this... head down the path of high sensitivity speakers. Don't be surprised to find a few horn loaded designs in this category too (popular in PA speakers for quite some time). Tannoy / Klipsch would be up there.

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  #949368 11-Dec-2013 13:37
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Dunnersfella: If you're looking to achieve decent volume over a great distance such as this... head down the path of high sensitivity speakers. Don't be surprised to find a few horn loaded designs in this category too (popular in PA speakers for quite some time). Tannoy / Klipsch would be up there.


Klipschorn speakers at >$5k each?
You'd get better quality sound out of a pair of active PA speakers these days, at a fraction of the price, you wouldn't need an amp, and though not weather-proof, the moulded polyprop cabinets a bit more appropriate for sitting outside.  Plus they're light enough to carry one in each hand.  Sacrilege to "hi-fi purists", but the sound reinforcement/PA business these days took a better approach (IMO) than the high-end home audio industry, much of which is stuck in a mindset where the "pure" approach is try to address things in mainly a mechanical/acoustic manner, but the sound reinforcement industry takes a more modern approach, using DSP, bi/tri amping, active X-over, phase correction delay etc.  Some of the small high-end active professional studio monitors these days have wonderful sound using this technology, at prices a fraction of what people are happy to pay for cherrywood and history.



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  #950582 11-Dec-2013 18:56
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Klipsch outdoor speakers are what, $400 - $800?
Certainly not 5k... and able to be added to any multi-zone / A+B amplifier.

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  #950616 11-Dec-2013 19:51
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I got some of these a while ago...

http://www.avalon.co.nz/outdoor-speakers/72-kef-ventura-4-outdoor-speaker-pair.html

But yet to hook them up..

There are slightly smaller ones if you want to spend a little less money.

They are suppose to be pretty good (when I get time to run some wires to them)


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  #950647 11-Dec-2013 21:10
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Dunnersfella: Klipsch outdoor speakers are what, $400 - $800?
Certainly not 5k... and able to be added to any multi-zone / A+B amplifier.


I assumed reference to folded horn design (hence my mention of the Klipschorn), not conventional speakers.
Sensitivity of such designs is typically > 100bB/w/m, about 10dB greater than home hifi (incl conventional outdoor) speakers.
It's a big difference - Klipschorn are "only" 100W speakers, but you'd need about 1000W through conventional speakers to achieve the same sound pressure level.
At 50m conventional hifi speakers are a waste of time.  HF compression driver is easy, but for mid/bass not so easy.

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  #952423 15-Dec-2013 06:46
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Hi all. Thanks heaps for the replies. Much appreciated.

After weighing it all up, I have decided it will actually look into updating their indoor system first post Xmas. It just doesn't make sense to sink more more money into such an old Bose system (in terms if buying a new Bose amplifier). Having a modern system would allow for true multi zone, and I might even be able to use wifi or Ethernet over power to stream the music out to the pump house for music by the pool. My brother seems very happy with his new Sonos system, so will look into them.

In terms of outdoor speakers, those Klipsch ones look good, so I will definitely investigate those once I am at that point.

Thanks again for all your help.

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