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  # 961799 6-Jan-2014 11:33
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If you live in Auckland I recommend you go into Paul Money and sample the many speakers they have on display there

Also, unless you really must go with a 2.1 setup first as you'll get better bang for buck

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  # 961877 6-Jan-2014 14:02
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If you are suggesting 2.1 for a 1st setup I agree. A GOOD 2ch setup will destroy many mediocre 5.1 systems. Then add center and surrounds and you have an amazing 5.1 system.

 
 
 
 


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  # 961883 6-Jan-2014 14:05
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Robbiey60: If you are suggesting 2.1 for a 1st setup I agree. A GOOD 2ch setup will destroy many mediocre 5.1 systems. Then add center and surrounds and you have an amazing 5.1 system.


Yep, for first setup you'll get better amp/speakers/sub then add ctr and surrounds as needed



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  # 962086 6-Jan-2014 19:41
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If you build a system over time you can score a pleasing starting point, then build on it later on with smaller 'add ons'. These are easier to get past the 'minister of finance' too.

$1600 on your AVR.
$1400 on your front stereo speakers.

Then, add a centre.
Then, a subwoofer.
Then, surrounds.
Finally, a power amp (stereo or 5 channel, your call) and maybe a second sub.

At that point, you'll be in serious territory, but without the initial sticker shock.



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  # 964417 10-Jan-2014 11:51
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Thanks to the offers from people in New Plymouth! I've had a chance to listen to the Paradigm 7 series in store and they really impressed me. The fronts retail for around $1500 and just those alone blew away most full setups I had heard. Now its just a matter of getting it past the financial advisor :D

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  # 964510 10-Jan-2014 13:42
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Finknz: Thanks to the offers from people in New Plymouth! I've had a chance to listen to the Paradigm 7 series in store and they really impressed me. The fronts retail for around $1500 and just those alone blew away most full setups I had heard. Now its just a matter of getting it past the financial advisor :D
I have heard that paradigm are good, but have not actually heard them myself. Good luck and post what you end up doing please

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  # 964692 10-Jan-2014 16:04
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Paradigm are typically quite forward sounding (some will call them detailed, others... bright) so make sure your room isn't too 'live'. Or, in other words, isn't chocca with glass surfaces, wooden floors etc. You can mate it with a warmer sounding receiver, but ultimately, try them in your home and see what you think.

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  # 965073 11-Jan-2014 12:28
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Dunnersfella: Paradigm are typically quite forward sounding (some will call them detailed, others... bright) so make sure your room isn't too 'live'. Or, in other words, isn't chocca with glass surfaces, wooden floors etc. You can mate it with a warmer sounding receiver, but ultimately, try them in your home and see what you think.
My klipsch are generally considered brighter than paradigms as they are horn loaded tweeters. Toe in is crucial and I have thick rugs hanging on the walls to the side of my mains and at the back of the room. Also a thick rug is necessary if you have a wooden floor. The less reflected sound you hear, the better your speakers will sound.

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  # 965169 11-Jan-2014 16:54
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^ generally good advice.

If you folks are finding speakers too bright, try placing them according to The Rule of the Thirds (divide room width by 1/3, divide room length by 1/3; draw imaginary lines and place speakers at the intersection of the 1/3s then fine tune) and firing forward with no toe.

And while most speakers perform best in free space, so does your listening position, don't sit too close to the wall.

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# 965195 11-Jan-2014 18:00
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ilovemusic: ^ generally good advice.

If you folks are finding speakers too bright, try placing them according to The Rule of the Thirds (divide room width by 1/3, divide room length by 1/3; draw imaginary lines and place speakers at the intersection of the 1/3s then fine tune) and firing forward with no toe.

And while most speakers perform best in free space, so does your listening position, don't sit too close to the wall.
May work well for dedicated 2ch with direct radiating drivers, optimal positioning for HT 5.1 or above is slightly different. Fwiw due to the nature of horns toe in is recommended, line of sight from MLP should look directly down the throat of the horn.

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  # 965242 11-Jan-2014 21:24
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I've used the technique to setup HT systems with direct radiators, di/bi-poles and even horns (LaScala, Heresy, JBL).

The results have been much better than the traditional HT clockface arrangement which tends to put speakers too close to walls (destroying soundstaging) and too far apart (creating holes in the arcs between the main speakers and the centre speaker).

Like all setups it's an initial guide.

YMMV



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  # 965270 11-Jan-2014 23:48
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^^ Both my reference and synergy towers improve imaging by toe in because of the smaller 6" 90×60° horn having poor off axis performance. While I cannot comment directly on heresy or the larger scalas because I have not heard them I will point you toward the khorn which is designed to be toed in. Also check out avs forums klipsch owner thread re:my series towers, and the heritage guys on klipsch community all recommend toe in.??

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  # 965271 11-Jan-2014 23:58
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Robbiey60: ^^ Both my reference and synergy towers improve imaging by toe in because of the smaller 6" 90×60° horn having poor off axis performance. While I cannot comment directly on heresy or the larger scalas because I have not heard them I will point you toward the khorn which is designed to be toed in. Also check out avs forums klipsch owner thread re:my series towers, and the heritage guys on klipsch community all recommend toe in.??
Sorry I just re-read this post and it could be taken offensively. I mean no disrespect and am simply offering my opinion on what works for my gear and a chance to read my fellow klipsch owners findings in their setups.

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  # 965451 12-Jan-2014 13:33
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no offense taken, as previously mentioned ymmv ;)

k-horns are a different beast altogether - being designed for corner placement.

check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-THnT8LGY8

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  # 965481 12-Jan-2014 14:07
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ilovemusic: no offense taken, as previously mentioned ymmv ;)

k-horns are a different beast altogether - being designed for corner placement.

check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-THnT8LGY8
Very interesting piece. I was intrigued at how the forward and aft di-pole configuration cancels out any reflections off the side wall and the lack of treatment at the rear of the room. Of course they are doing all sorts of acoustic loading im the rest of the room but wow. Now I hate to think what those speakers cost, and the multitude of amps and other gear running them😨

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