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#143012 31-Mar-2014 22:51
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Maybe Im missing something but I thought most freeview EPGs offered the same functionality - on my old PVR youd browse to an upcoming program hit the red record button, it would ask if you just wanted to record a single episode or the whole series - easy.

On the veon tv i got from the warehouse you fire up the epg browse to a future program but there doesnt seem to be any way to record it - its easy to record whats currently playing but if you want to record something in the future you need to manually add it to the rec list and specify the start and stop times! am i back in the 80s?

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  #1016374 1-Apr-2014 09:34
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Yes. Just like the days of single tuner analogue VCRs. It's called timer recording. You get what you pay for. Welcome to the world of cheap Tvs.
If you really want easy recording then you need a PVR, not a TV. TVs are for watching TV. Recorders are for recording TV.



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  #1016377 1-Apr-2014 09:41
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do you actually know for sure, do you have a veon tv? or are you just assuming because its from the warehouse it must be crap? the whole point of having built-in freeview is to reduce the number of components clogging up your living room ... its called progress.

theyre actually an oem for sony, samsung etc. i have the option of returning it but hoping there might be an ota/usb update that fixes the problem

 
 
 
 


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  #1016451 1-Apr-2014 11:44
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Typically TV's aren't designed for recording, but some offer this functionality.

There are actually two different components to MHEG-5, a standard MHEG-5 app used by the likes of TVs and basic STBs, and an MHEG-5 PVR app that supports recording that is typically used in PVRs.

Like most TVs on the market, your TV clearly only supports the basic MHEG-5 app and not the PVR extensions. If recording was something you wanted it's something worth researching beforehand because only a small number of devices support this.

Different devices have different MHEG-5 capabilities - not all devices for example are required to support MHEG-5 IC extensions to allow Ethernet and streaming support which will be used for the new Worldnet channels and Quickflix.





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  #1016452 1-Apr-2014 11:46
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thanks - it does support recording to an external usb drive - its just that there seems to be no easy way to record future programs easily i.e. look them up in the epg and hit a button to add it to the rec list. might see if warehouse customer services can offer any insight...

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  #1016460 1-Apr-2014 11:59
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coolbananas: thanks - it does support recording to an external usb drive - its just that there seems to be no easy way to record future programs easily i.e. look them up in the epg and hit a button to add it to the rec list. might see if warehouse customer services can offer any insight...


As explained above their is no requirement for a TV to support MHEG-5 PVR extensions and literally 95% of them on the market don't. There would be absolutely nothing that The Warehouse can do to change this.

To change this would require the TV firmware being redeveloped to support the extra MHEG-5 extensions and then resubmitting the TV to Freeview to be reapproved. I suspect there is absolutely zero chance of that happening.
 

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  #1016493 1-Apr-2014 12:09
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FYI here's the technical requirements for a PVR type device and a TV

http://www.freeviewnz.tv/media/9342/dtt_v2.0_dtr_spec_.pdf

http://www.freeviewnz.tv/media/12211/freeview_dtt_receiver_spec_v2_1_idtv.pdf

Both are very different, hence the reason the vast majority of TV's don't support EPG recordings.



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  #1016496 1-Apr-2014 12:12
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sbiddle:

As explained above their is no requirement for a TV to support MHEG-5 PVR extensions and literally 95% of them on the market don't. There would be absolutely nothing that The Warehouse can do to change this.

To change this would require the TV firmware being redeveloped to support the extra MHEG-5 extensions and then resubmitting the TV to Freeview to be reapproved. I suspect there is absolutely zero chance of that happening.
 

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It's a TV, not a Video Recorder. It's cheap so has only the very basic functions.
What the TV does with the EPG is determined by how the manufacturer programs the Firmware. Most cheap Tvs are crap. TVs in general only have one tuner so you can only watch and record (on those few that actually do allow recording) the same channel anyway. You get what you pay for. As I said before, if you want EPG controlled recording, get a PVR. That's what their firmware does. That's why I have a Panasonic Recorder and Sony TV.

 
 
 
 


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coolbananas:  the whole point of having built-in freeview is to reduce the number of components clogging up your living room ... its called progress.


I disagree. The whole point of having a built-in Freeview TV is that there is only Freeview Digital and a very few other digital channels (Asian) now since analogue was switched off.
Even in analogue days you still had to have a separate recorder.

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  #1016803 1-Apr-2014 20:52
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coolbananas: 
theyre actually an oem for sony, samsung etc.


Veon?
Link to back this up?




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  #1016817 1-Apr-2014 21:19
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it was actually another geekzone member on a different thread

[Moderator edit (MF): short version of original]



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  #1016821 1-Apr-2014 21:33
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Basically it's a tv with a digital (freeview) tuner instead of an analogue tuner. When was the last time you could record anything using an analogue TV? 

Be thankful it records at all.

Edit again: Just to mention that Dunnersfella is pretty much our resident TV/AV/HT/Audio expert, so it would pay to be nice.

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  #1016830 1-Apr-2014 21:54
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yeah i have a 39" veon fhd tv and use it as a monitor (which @$450 last year i am totally ok with ie. from a bang for buck point of view) and while it can record live tv and scheduled tv in terms of a timer based recording - it aint no pvr

same story re timer only recording for the main set ie. 59" samsung flagship plasma from 2 years ago

so yeah as others have said - if you want full recorder type functionality, schedule based, series link etc - you will need to get a dedicated recorder...

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  #1016858 1-Apr-2014 22:29
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coolbananas: theyre actually an oem for sony, samsung etc.


It doesn't mean their product has the same functionality or quality. Sony and Samsung have their own features and any other company using the same code to implement something similar (or same hardware) would probably be in courts pretty quick. 






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coolbananas: thanks - it does support recording to an external usb drive - its just that there seems to be no easy way to record future programs easily i.e. look them up in the epg and hit a button to add it to the rec list. might see if warehouse customer services can offer any insight...

Out of interest, what does the manual actually say about recording capabilities?




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