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  #1027093 17-Apr-2014 20:04
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Geektastic: Funny how no one ever includes the copyright of us photographers when they write laws....!


I imagine that's at least partly because the industry group with enough clout to be listened to (the likes of AP) is just as likely to want to screw you over as help you.




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  #1027096 17-Apr-2014 20:10
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SaltyNZ:
KiwiNZ:
SaltyNZ:
KiwiNZ: The rights holders are the key, even with the change that allowed ripping of music CD's it is only permitted if the rights holder has allowed it in the terms and conditions. 

At least a lot of DVD's are now coming with a extra copy to allow electronic storage.


The 'rights holders' only have rights because they are granted by the law. There's no real reason the law can't be changed other than that the people who write the laws won't do it. I'm feeling charitable today; I'll assume that's because they don't understand them themselves, rather than because they're actively in bed with Big Media.


I think with the politicians its a case of...

1. They don't understand
2. They don't care


If we believe that they don't care, isn't that a really good reason to change? I wouldn't hand my kids over to a babysitter who didn't understand or care. I don't want such a person running the country either.


They don't care because there is no glory it or perceived glory. Politicians want a earth changing legacy of their time.




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  #1027146 17-Apr-2014 23:46
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sidefx: Note: I agree with the above; and while it may be illegal, I certainly wouldn't consider it unethical unless you're ripping then selling the originals... 


The thing that really 'gets my goat' (what a weird expression, I don't even OWN a goat!!??) is this; your average 'pirate' wants a movie, so he (yes, they're mostly male) jumps online and downloads it.  For his trouble, he is able to select the exact movie he wants from an extremely large collection, in full high definition, he can download it within an hour & in some cases stream it directly off the Internet immediately, in a format he can most probably play on a wide variety of devices, and even if it doesn't play on a particular device, he can easily re-encode it to any format he likes because there is no copy protection on it!  Oh, and he gets it for an extremely good price, ie; virtually free.

On the other hand you have poor suckers like me who enjoy movies and recognise the need to support movie makers, plus I like to own original copies of things.  So I pony up probably more than I would like to pay (because pirating is impacting the revenue of movie publishers you know), for a fully legit copy.  So what do I get for my money:
- Perfect quality movie (great)
- Something I have to go to a physical store or order online and wait a few days to obtain
- A product that is confined to one device and is difficult to transcode
- I sometimes get a 'Ultraviolet' copy which I can download!  But oh, even if it's still 'valid' (as someone already pointed out), I have to go register on a stupid website, jump through a number of flaming hoops, download some annoying software, and download the movie, only to find that the quality is crap and the entire exersize was a complete waste of my time

So basically, as a legitimate customer, I am being penalised because the pirates are winning.  Why are the pirates winning?  Because they are supplying what the customers want.

I know this is somewhat old news, but I felt like a rant :D

So all of this leads to my real point which is; the route I often take with movies and games is to buy the legitimate copy, put it on my shelf, and go download a pirated copy.  This way I get the best of both worlds; legitimate ownership, and copyright free media.  The media companies would call me a pirate and according to the law I am a criminal for doing this, but if anyone ever pulls me up on this I will show them my extensive collection of fully legit movies and games, ask them if they really want to prosecute someone who has obviously spent thousands on legitimate media and supports publishers and content creators, and then tell them to get f#@ked.

That is all.

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  #1027183 18-Apr-2014 07:42
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Yeah, the numbers don't lie. Those pirates are killing the movie industry alright. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/piracy-notwithstanding-mpaa-enjoys-a-very-strong-year-again/




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  #1027188 18-Apr-2014 08:07
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SaltyNZ: Yeah, the numbers don't lie. Those pirates are killing the movie industry alright. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/piracy-notwithstanding-mpaa-enjoys-a-very-strong-year-again/


I am not sure where I was reading it but it was a report saying that with the rise in piracy the patronage of theatres has risen the numbers going are higher than they have been for decades.




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  #1027215 18-Apr-2014 09:41
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floydbloke: The law is an ass.  You've bought the DVD so you have paid for the right to watch it as often as you want.  Does the law assume that any ripping is done so the content  can then be distributed at the financial detriment of the copyright holder?


You didn't buy the DVD. You paid money to licence the content on the media subject to the terms and conditions contained on the packaging, and NZ copyright law.


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  #1027216 18-Apr-2014 09:49
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sbiddle:
floydbloke: The law is an ass.  You've bought the DVD so you have paid for the right to watch it as often as you want.  Does the law assume that any ripping is done so the content  can then be distributed at the financial detriment of the copyright holder?


You didn't buy the DVD. You paid money to licence the content on the media subject to the terms and conditions contained on the packaging, and NZ copyright law.



You did buy the DVD. But not the content.
AND You paid money to licence the content on the media subject to the terms and conditions contained on the packaging, and NZ copyright law.

 
 
 
 


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  #1027244 18-Apr-2014 11:15
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As someone who is directly effected by piracy (own a dvd franchise), even I don't have an issue with someone ripping their own discs to a more convenient format. Ofcourse, ripping and then selling the physical disc is a bit on the nose, as is ripping rented DVDs/Blu-rays - but even then, its rare for us to rent the same movie to someone multiple times, so would we actually be losing out? 

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The MPAA has it all wrong, This and trying to kill all the cloud storage sites. Maybe they should take Western Digital and Seagate to court for selling Hard drives which people store illegal movies on

 

Not being allowed to make your own backup of the movie you paid for is not fair. I cant wait for the moment when Kim Dotcom defeats the MPAA

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  #1027256 18-Apr-2014 11:40
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Yabanize: The MPAA has it all wrong, This and trying to kill all the cloud storage sites. Maybe they should take Western Digital and Seagate to court for selling Hard drives which people store illegal movies on Not being allowed to make your own backup of the movie you paid for is not fair. I cant wait for the moment when Kim Dotcom defeats the MPAA


No. We should take computer makers to court for providing the enabling equipment and electricity companies for powering said equipment....!





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  #1028864 22-Apr-2014 02:18
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actually I thought it would be much more prudent to just sue the movie makers for making the content that we want to rip in the first place as it's all their fault to start with laughing

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  #1028972 22-Apr-2014 09:18
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Doesn't the Consumer Guarantees Act state this:

 

Retailers guarantee that goods will be owned by the consumer, once purchased.

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