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Topic # 161899 22-Jan-2015 19:59
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I'm looking at 10M HDMI cables on TradeMe, and wondering if the two cables below are electrically the same?  Or for that matter, would both suite my purpose?  They are for use between laptop and fairly high end projector (Canon WUX450), and the length is so speakers can stand well away from the projector without people tripping over the cable.

This one is $20, while this one is just $11, but is confusing me because it says it is for PS3 - Sky.  Is that significant?  There is also this flat one that is of interest because I might be able to fit it in the Vanguard Case — I can't see the other two fitting.  But I suspect the flat cable is designed for under carpet, so I am wondering if a lot of handling will break it.

Cost is obviously not a factor at those prices, but transportation is. (It will travel between my house and camera club twice a month as well as other workshops etc.)




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  Reply # 1220355 22-Jan-2015 20:09
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all HDMI cables are the same providing they meet the same spec. the first and third say HDMI 1.4 and the second one says HDMI 1.3b

If you don't have the latest equipment that does 3D transmission and back and forth data then a spec 1.3 is fine. if you need that then you need 1.4x ...

so for your purpose they are all the same. one might be more resistant to rough use but from a picture it's hard to tell. they usually don't look like the picture! but works just fine. some are very rigid (ie brittle, less tolerant to rough bending) some are more flexible, tolerates more bending, but I suggest all the cheap trademe ones are very rigid, but it might not ... good luck

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  Reply # 1220363 22-Jan-2015 20:22
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nah you need to pay 10x the price for a monster cable as they make those digital 1s and 0s move along the copper better ;)

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  Reply # 1220369 22-Jan-2015 20:36
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I found that between my Sony Bluray and Receiver that not all HDMI cables are created equal.  I ended up buying a genuine Sony HDMI 1.4 cable because it was actually the cheapest that I could guarantee I was really getting ver 1.4.  The problem with other cables was that if the colour depth setting was turned up I'd lose the DTS audio.  When I finally worked out what was happening I did a few tests and worked out that it was always the audio that suffered if the cable wasn't capable of the bandwidth.  With everything else I have ever connected together it has never really mattered if the cable was truly version 1.4 or not.

So my guess is that in your case it may not matter which cable as I doubt you're trying to push six channels of audio down it as well as the video.

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  Reply # 1220388 22-Jan-2015 21:15
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I bought the red one HDMI 1.3 that looked super flexible, for peanuts.

when it arrived it was neither red nor very flexible!!!

but I don't need HDMI 1.4 - it's for 3D or dialogue two way transmission

I push DTS-HD/Dolby HD and 1080p no probs. But I find it doesn't like to be plugged unplugged too many times otherwise the pins break.

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  Reply # 1220389 22-Jan-2015 21:17
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Glassboy: I found that between my Sony Bluray and Receiver that not all HDMI cables are created equal.  I ended up buying a genuine Sony HDMI 1.4 cable because it was actually the cheapest that I could guarantee I was really getting ver 1.4.  The problem with other cables was that if the colour depth setting was turned up I'd lose the DTS audio.  When I finally worked out what was happening I did a few tests and worked out that it was always the audio that suffered if the cable wasn't capable of the bandwidth.  With everything else I have ever connected together it has never really mattered if the cable was truly version 1.4 or not.

So my guess is that in your case it may not matter which cable as I doubt you're trying to push six channels of audio down it as well as the video.


yes some cables don't work on some equipment, but that's rare, but they do happen from time to time. probably faulty cables. or weird boxes.

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  Reply # 1220433 22-Jan-2015 22:35
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To market a cable as HDMI 1.4, all you need to do is achieve one of the 1.4 specifications...
And even if your cable isn't capable, then it probably won't matter, as the HDMI association obviously won't go after a 2-bit Trademe seller ;-)
In a nutshell, you're looking for cable construction, but you're out of luck when it comes to pics of the interweb.
Roll a dice and hope for the best, let us know what one you choose.

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  Reply # 1220449 22-Jan-2015 23:43
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Thanks guys.  I actually now remember reading a blog post recently, that said all HDMI cables are the same but I was not aware of the 1.3 / 1.4 spec differences.  My use will mostly be just for stills, but it will play the odd video without sound, so I am mostly interested in flexibility, and durability.  You really need to see and feel cables to make an assessment of this, but those TradeMe prices are sooooo cheap...




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  Reply # 1220451 22-Jan-2015 23:49
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I got a $2.68 USD 2 meter one from aliexpress. It says its 1.4 and 3d compatible but i havent had a chance to try it with anything 3d, but apart from that for normal pictures and HDMI-CEC it works all good. The one thing is the cable is quite thin compared to others ive seen

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  Reply # 1220908 23-Jan-2015 16:43
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TLD: Thanks guys.  I actually now remember reading a blog post recently, that said all HDMI cables are the same but I was not aware of the 1.3 / 1.4 spec differences.  My use will mostly be just for stills, but it will play the odd video without sound, so I am mostly interested in flexibility, and durability.  You really need to see and feel cables to make an assessment of this, but those TradeMe prices are sooooo cheap...


Is it one of those blog posts about how HDMI is a digital signal so the cable can either work or not, and you don't have the same issues as analogue signals?  To an extent that is true but the physical laws of the universe still apply to HDMI cables.  That's why if you need high bandwidth you need a genuine v1.4.

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  Reply # 1222288 26-Jan-2015 11:08
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An interesting footnote to this thread, is that the HDMI cable that connects my 3D Blu Ray player to my Smart TV, is an old lead I've had for years, and is almost certainly not 1.4 spec.  The 3D disks I've tried seemed to work OK though — would cable length be significant?  A 1M lower spec lead would be OK, but a 10M lead wouldn't?




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  Reply # 1222298 26-Jan-2015 11:21
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It's a minimum standard, so presumably your cable was more capable than the minimum. Not sure about distance ... That would require too much physics to work out what happens to the bandwidth for my ability

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  Reply # 1222414 26-Jan-2015 14:04
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nathan: nah you need to pay 10x the price for a monster cable as they make those digital 1s and 0s move along the copper better ;)


plus a genuine monster will have better build quality and better quality plugs that will not deteriorate over time.

I've got a cheapy 2m tm cable  that ended up with a broken plug due to the weight of the cable.



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  Reply # 1222716 26-Jan-2015 20:51
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ilovemusic:
nathan: nah you need to pay 10x the price for a monster cable as they make those digital 1s and 0s move along the copper better ;)


plus a genuine monster will have better build quality and better quality plugs that will not deteriorate over time.

I've got a cheapy 2m tm cable  that ended up with a broken plug due to the weight of the cable.




Nothing a bit of sellotape can't fix!  And still be 9.99x cheaper than the monster cable ;-)

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  Reply # 1222853 26-Jan-2015 22:45
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ilovemusic:
nathan: nah you need to pay 10x the price for a monster cable as they make those digital 1s and 0s move along the copper better ;)


plus a genuine monster will have better build quality and better quality plugs that will not deteriorate over time.

I've got a cheapy 2m tm cable  that ended up with a broken plug due to the weight of the cable.

The sad fact is that even the likes of Apple can get it wrong as with its problematic Lightning connector.  At least the Lightning plug is small enough to easily slip some heatshrink over for additional strain relief.  My worst experience with cables and plugs in recent years, has been with the USB3 connector at the drive end. They do NOT like to be moved or unplugged.

Anyway, I'll just order a cheapish 10M HDMI cable, and a half reasonable 1.5M cable, and use the short one 90% of the time.  My gut feeling is that between them, the cables will last for ages, and I have a spare 5M cable from my own projector if the camera club's 10M cable fails.




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  Reply # 1223204 27-Jan-2015 13:13
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Mark:
ilovemusic:
nathan: nah you need to pay 10x the price for a monster cable as they make those digital 1s and 0s move along the copper better ;)


plus a genuine monster will have better build quality and better quality plugs that will not deteriorate over time.

I've got a cheapy 2m tm cable  that ended up with a broken plug due to the weight of the cable.




Nothing a bit of sellotape can't fix!  And still be 9.99x cheaper than the monster cable ;-)


Some of the cheaper cables are bad, won't carry 1080p, have sparkles on the screen etc.
I found the cables from Rapollo AV were both cheap and good quality

http://www.rapalloav.co.nz/hdmi-2/hdmi-cable/hdmi-cable-0-75m-to-5m.html



Here is the 5M cable I purchased

http://www.rapalloav.co.nz/hdmi-2/hdmi-cable/hdmi-cable-0-75m-to-5m/5m-hdmi-cable-ultra-pro-high-speed.html


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