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Topic # 185789 5-Dec-2015 19:16
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Hi there

I have a sonos 5.1 hooked into my tv with an optical cable and my my sky and ps3 connected to the tv with hdmi.

The sonos only seems to pick up stereo even when I am playing a bluray on the ps3. I suspect the problem might be my tv may not pass through 5.1 (it's a panasonic th-p59g).

Any suggestions of the best way to set it up for 5.1?

Many thanks

Mike.

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  Reply # 1441102 5-Dec-2015 19:39
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I'd do it with a 5.1 Amp. Plug everything into it, and it will take care of the rest. You could buy a second hand one cheaply, maybe a few hundred or wait till boxing day and JB HiFi usually has Onkyo or other popular branded ones going cheaply (Under $500) new.




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  Reply # 1441106 5-Dec-2015 19:46
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Thanks for the advice however just got rid of an amp to get the sonos and reduce number of devices so wouldn't want to get another one.

Mike.

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1441206 5-Dec-2015 23:58
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Would something like the below work:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/electronics-photography/home-audio/amplifiers-tuners/auction-990856818.htm


On the TV HDMI out to this device which would then convert sound to 5.1 and then optical to the Sonos?

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  Reply # 1441214 6-Dec-2015 01:47
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Wondering what you mean by "a Sonos 5.1"? Given you are using optical audio, I'm guessing it's a Playbar? I have an identical set-up to you - Sky and PS3 into TV via HDMI and optical from TV to Playbar. All parts work as expected. Forgive the obvious question, but have you played around with the audio settings in each component? Is the TV audio set to 'external speakers'?

I tried googling the TV model number you quoted but could not find it. I was trying to find out the general age of the telly. If all else fails, the $55 adaptor is worth a try at that price. You could also look on the Rapallo website - they're great.

Edit: Are you happy that you have the Sonos controller app set up correctly? Does the Sonos work ok on other (non-TV) source settings? E.g Radio/TuneIn, Pandora, etc?



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  Reply # 1441236 6-Dec-2015 08:31
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Hi there

Thanks for the reply. Would be great to cross check I have things set up correctly.

I have the playbar and two play 1s set up as surround. No sub as yet (maybe next years purchase) so looking for 5.0 sound.

Myski and ps3 going into hdmi 1 and 2 of my tv. It's a panasonic th-p50g10z (sorry for previous typo) and has the date on the back of 2009. From the tv I have optical into the sound bar.

I get sound on the play 1s but it sounds artificial and when I look at the sonos app about the system it says the playbar only has stereo going to it. My tv doesn't appear to have the option of choosing speakers or home theatre. It did when I used to have a component system going into the tv but doesn't seem to with the optical out.

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  Reply # 1441239 6-Dec-2015 08:44
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Where are you located?



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  Reply # 1441240 6-Dec-2015 08:48
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Whitby - porirua

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  Reply # 1441241 6-Dec-2015 08:51
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Right - the cold hard facts of Sonos's 5.1 limitations are below... hopefully you haven't been mis-lead by a sales person during your purchasing process.
Also, it pays to remember that the Sonos system cannot support DTS, so make sure you're not selecting any DTS soundtracks when playing back Blu-rays.

If you plug devices into a TV, the HDMI handshake process see's the TV as the end point.
This is where the TV and the audio are SUPPOSED to end according to this HDMI handshake.
However, some people want to then send the audio out of the TV using the optical cable...
Due to the HDMI handshake process a vast majority of the TV's on the market (99% of them by all accounts) will only send stereo audio out via optical... after all, it's the end point AND TV's can only produce stereo sound.

The lack of an HDMI handshake is is why a Smart TV with Netflix, or standard TV utilising its built-in Freeview tuner will offer you surround sound (where available) when you implement an optical cable into a suitable surround sound amp / surround soundbar system.

So, how do you fix the isssue?
Simple, an optical switch (4 in, 1 out is popular).
Plug the TV's optical cable into the switch, plug the PS3's optical cable into the switch, plug the MySky box optical cable into the switch etc etc.
There are a few options out there, and I'd suggest one with an IR receiver so you can control it with a smart remote control.

http://www.listeningpost.co.nz/Brands/Blustream/OPT41AU-__I.104596__C.84903__N.27183
This one is in the Harmony database, so you can get a Logietch Harmony Ultimate to do the optical switching, while controlling your PS3, TV, MySky, and I believe your Sonos (you'll want to double check this though).


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  Reply # 1441243 6-Dec-2015 08:55
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Even though the TV is a bit elderly, it should work ok - Toslink has been around for ages.

As a starting point, open the Sonos controller app, go to Settings > About My Sonos System and check that the Playbar and Play:1's are on the same version/build number. (If you have signed up for Sonos betas you can sometimes end up with differing builds for the components and it can really screw things up. This happened to me and there is a good mechanism for opting back out of the beta testing.)

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  Reply # 1441248 6-Dec-2015 09:01
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eracode: Wondering what you mean by "a Sonos 5.1"? Given you are using optical audio, I'm guessing it's a Playbar? I have an identical set-up to you - Sky and PS3 into TV via HDMI and optical from TV to Playbar. All parts work as expected. Forgive the obvious question, but have you played around with the audio settings in each component? Is the TV audio set to 'external speakers'?

I tried googling the TV model number you quoted but could not find it. I was trying to find out the general age of the telly. If all else fails, the $55 adaptor is worth a try at that price. You could also look on the Rapallo website - they're great.

Edit: Are you happy that you have the Sonos controller app set up correctly? Does the Sonos work ok on other (non-TV) source settings? E.g Radio/TuneIn, Pandora, etc?


This isn't the solution - your system at home will only be sending 'simulated surround sound' to the rear speakers.
In otherwords, the Play 1's will be getting the same audio as the front channels, just 30% quieter...
It's popular in the home theatre world for people who want to 'hear the back speakers they paid a lot of money for' at all times... it's a travesty, but it is, what it is.
If you want a true surround feed, you need to remove the TV / HDMI interface due to their built-in limitations.

It's best to ignore the fact that you'll never get Dolby True HD or DTS Master HD audio via the current Sonos Playbar...
It NEEDS HDMI inputs + 1 x output to achieve that.

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  Reply # 1441251 6-Dec-2015 09:14
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eracode: Wondering what you mean by "a Sonos 5.1"? Given you are using optical audio, I'm guessing it's a Playbar? I have an identical set-up to you - Sky and PS3 into TV via HDMI and optical from TV to Playbar. All parts work as expected. Forgive the obvious question, but have you played around with the audio settings in each component? Is the TV audio set to 'external speakers'?

I tried googling the TV model number you quoted but could not find it. I was trying to find out the general age of the telly. If all else fails, the $55 adaptor is worth a try at that price. You could also look on the Rapallo website - they're great.

Edit: Are you happy that you have the Sonos controller app set up correctly? Does the Sonos work ok on other (non-TV) source settings? E.g Radio/TuneIn, Pandora, etc?


This isn't the solution - your system at home will only be sending 'simulated surround sound' to the rear speakers.
In otherwords, the Play 1's will be getting the same audio as the front channels, just 30% quieter...
It's popular in the home theatre world for people who want to 'hear the back speakers they paid a lot of money for' at all times... it's a travesty, but it is, what it is.
If you want a true surround feed, you need to remove the TV / HDMI interface due to their built-in limitations.

It's best to ignore the fact that you'll never get Dolby True HD or DTS Master HD audio via the current Sonos Playbar...
It NEEDS HDMI inputs + 1 x output to achieve that.


Does this mean that, say I was using only MySky with this setup, I should run the optical directly from the Sky box to the Playbar - thus keeping the audio away from the TV?

TBH it seems clear that you know a lot more about this than I do. However, I have been fairly satisfied we are getting proper surround sound from the TV optical. E.g. during the RWC we were getting full sound, commentary etc from the Playbar and just stadium/crowd audio from the Sonos rear speakers. Not just lower volume of the centre audio.

Are we talking at cross-purposes, something I don't understand, I'm deluding myself?

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  Reply # 1441266 6-Dec-2015 09:56
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eracode:

Does this mean that, say I was using only MySky with this setup, I should run the optical directly from the Sky box to the Playbar - thus keeping the audio away from the TV?

TBH it seems clear that you know a lot more about this than I do. However, I have been fairly satisfied we are getting proper surround sound from the TV optical. E.g. during the RWC we were getting full sound, commentary etc from the Playbar and just stadium/crowd audio from the Sonos rear speakers. Not just lower volume of the centre audio.

Are we talking at cross-purposes, something I don't understand, I'm deluding myself?


Who knows... you may be tricking yourself, the mix may be removing the mid-range (vocals) so you're only getting the other parts of the audio spectrum through your rear speakers.
Maybe your particular TV can send 5.1 Dolby audio through its optical port?
Maybe you were watching a replay on a Free-to-air channel, thus by-passing the HDMI ports of Sky and the TV all together?

Test is with a Blu-ray disc and see how you get on.
Make sure you have your Blu-ray player set to Bitstream with secondary audio turned off, so you can access all audio soundtracks on the disc.... and away you go.

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  Reply # 1441273 6-Dec-2015 10:15
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Dunnersfella:
eracode:

Does this mean that, say I was using only MySky with this setup, I should run the optical directly from the Sky box to the Playbar - thus keeping the audio away from the TV?

TBH it seems clear that you know a lot more about this than I do. However, I have been fairly satisfied we are getting proper surround sound from the TV optical. E.g. during the RWC we were getting full sound, commentary etc from the Playbar and just stadium/crowd audio from the Sonos rear speakers. Not just lower volume of the centre audio.

Are we talking at cross-purposes, something I don't understand, I'm deluding myself?


Who knows... you may be tricking yourself, the mix may be removing the mid-range (vocals) so you're only getting the other parts of the audio spectrum through your rear speakers.
Maybe your particular TV can send 5.1 Dolby audio through its optical port?
Maybe you were watching a replay on a Free-to-air channel, thus by-passing the HDMI ports of Sky and the TV all together?

Test is with a Blu-ray disc and see how you get on.
Make sure you have your Blu-ray player set to Bitstream with secondary audio turned off, so you can access all audio soundtracks on the disc.... and away you go.


This has left me wondering so I did a test as suggested - Blu-Ray of Roy Orbison's 'Black & White Night' - which has great  audio. Definitely getting full surround - artists on stage mainly from the front, audience applause etc from the surrounds.

Played on PS4 via 2012 Samsung smart TV with optical out to Playbar also driving Play:1's and Sonos Sub.

Sorry - have somewhat hijacked OP's thread.

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  Reply # 1441283 6-Dec-2015 10:42
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Sweet - what soundtrack did you select on the disc, and what came up on the Sonos controller?

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