Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


snaffta

38 posts

Geek


#19141 6-Feb-2008 20:46
Send private message

Hello.

I'm currently looking for an AV Receiver to connect to PS3 and then to TV.

I want to use a receiver with HDMI passthru.

There seem to be very few that will do what I want them to.  I guess i want hi-end without paying more than $1000...

One unit Sony STR-DG810.  Has the functions i require.  HDMI passthru, surround sound, 1080p upscale.

There are a few things I don't understand...  

What uncompressed PCM is and how it is relivent to surround.  Ie playing games?  I have read that some AV recievers dont do PCM or linear PCM properly and games dont play 6.1.   So LPCM seems important enough to be essential.

Is there anything else to consider?    Not to worried about the number of channels.  And the +/- 1% seems fairly resonable for the amps. 
Any other worthwhile amps?

PS.   From sony.co.nz the receiver retails for nz$899 and from ebay [via New York] inc. post works out to nz$433 ...     It also retails in Aust.  For Aus$899.  Go figure that.

View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2
snaffta

38 posts

Geek


  #108981 6-Feb-2008 21:56
Send private message


Thanx for the 15odd views of the viod...  Now this thread actually has text in it...

Ta.

Affiliate link
 
 
 

Affiliate link: Norton 360 antivirus provides enhanced security for your connected devices, a secure VPN for online privacy, Password Manager, Firewall, SafeCam, PC Cloud Backup, Dark Web Monitoring, Parental Control, and more. An all-in-one cybersecurity solution backed by 100% Virus Protection Promise and 60 Day Money Back Guarantee.
rscole86
4544 posts

Uber Geek

Moderator
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #108989 6-Feb-2008 22:34
Send private message

snaffta:
Thanx for the 15odd views of the viod...  Now this thread actually has text in it...

Ta.


I am sure that people will reply if they are able to help you. Just for the record, I looked at this just to see if I could help. And I can't.

I am sure that you wil appreciate that I have now added to your thread, albeit an unhelpful answer.

Fossie
1240 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #108990 6-Feb-2008 22:37
Send private message

Don't worry, we're all actually paid to answer everyones threads. So it shouldn't take long.



stuzzo
534 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #109004 7-Feb-2008 02:24
Send private message

snaffta: Hello.
I'm currently looking for an AV Receiver to connect to PS3 and then to TV.
I want to use a receiver with HDMI passthru.
There seem to be very few that will do what I want them to. I guess i want hi-end without paying more than $1000...

One unit Sony STR-DG810. Has the functions i require. HDMI passthru, surround sound, 1080p upscale.

There are a few things I don't understand...

What uncompressed PCM is and how it is relivent to surround. Ie playing games? I have read that some AV recievers dont do PCM or linear PCM properly and games dont play 6.1. So LPCM seems important enough to be essential.

Is there anything else to consider? Not to worried about the number of channels. And the +/- 1% seems fairly resonable for the amps.
Any other worthwhile amps?

PS. From sony.co.nz the receiver retails for nz$899 and from ebay [via New York] inc. post works out to nz$433 ... It also retails in Aust. For Aus$899. Go figure that.



Uncompressed PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) is basically audio data in it's simplest or standard form and typically that which it needs to be in to be converted into analogue audio via a DAC (Digital to analogue converter). The parameters for PCM are the sampling rate in khz and the bit depth (the accuracy of the reading). e.g PCM for a CD is 44.1khz and 16 bit x2 channels.

On the other hand, bitstream (the term in it's home theatre usage) is an output of data that is still coded in a range of formats e.g Dolby Digital, primarily for the purpose of reducing the bit rate and therefore storage requirements. Bitstream needs to be decoded before the DAC process, generally.

Home theatre receivers with HDMI inputs are able to output multi-channel sound when receiving PCM via HDMI from a source or player. That is to say when the decoding has been done at the source. (Though some early hdmi receivers simply acted as hdmi switches and couldn't output audio ).

Recently receivers have come on to the market with the ability to decode bitsteam data in the latest formats, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS Master Audio etc. These receivers are currently in a higher price range than you are considering and your PS3 doesn't currently output high definition audio formats as bitstream anyway.

I'm not familiar with the Sony STR-DG810 but I believe their ES range is more highly regarded soundwise. Other brands to consider are Pioneer, Denon and Yamaha. Most manufacturer's sites have manuals etc and most receivers are reviewed somewhere on-line eg CNET.






stuzzo
534 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #109027 7-Feb-2008 11:04
Send private message



What uncompressed PCM is and how it is relivent to surround. Ie playing games? I have read that some AV recievers dont do PCM or linear PCM properly and games dont play 6.1. So LPCM seems important enough to be essential.



Just regarding this issue, it may be a reference to the fact that some receivers cannot take a 5.1 PCM soundtrack and reprocess it into 6.1 or 7.1 channels.

lchiu7
5870 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #109092 7-Feb-2008 15:33
Send private message

snaffta: Hello.
I'm currently looking for an AV Receiver to connect to PS3 and then to TV.
I want to use a receiver with HDMI passthru.
There seem to be very few that will do what I want them to. I guess i want hi-end without paying more than $1000...

One unit Sony STR-DG810. Has the functions i require. HDMI passthru, surround sound, 1080p upscale.

There are a few things I don't understand...

What uncompressed PCM is and how it is relivent to surround. Ie playing games? I have read that some AV recievers dont do PCM or linear PCM properly and games dont play 6.1. So LPCM seems important enough to be essential.

Is there anything else to consider? Not to worried about the number of channels. And the +/- 1% seems fairly resonable for the amps.
Any other worthwhile amps?

PS. From sony.co.nz the receiver retails for nz$899 and from ebay [via New York] inc. post works out to nz$433 ... It also retails in Aust. For Aus$899. Go figure that.


That's the model I am looking at.  I was also looking at ebay but the price wasn't that good. More like $490.  I like the model because it has 3 HDMI inputs (I need 3), does audio over HDMI via PCM. While I have both a BR player (PS3) and HD-DVD player (Toshiba A3) neither outputs Dolby True HD or DTS-Master HD over bitstream so I don't need a AVR that can process those audio formats. The players can do it and just output PCM.

No issue with 110V since I would be replacing a AVR that currently is 110V anyway.

My thoughts. The only thing holding me up is, whether or not I will travelling to the US soon and can pick it up there to save on postage.

Larry




Staying in Wellington. Check out my AirBnB in the Wellington CBD.  https://www.airbnb.co.nz/rooms/32019730  Mention GZ to get a 10% discount

 

System One:  PS3 SuperSlim, NPVR and Plex Server running on Intel NUC (C2D) (Windows 10 Pro), Sony BDP-S390 BD player, Pioneer AVR, Odroid C2 running Kodi and Plex, Panasonic 60" 3D plasma, Samsung Q80 Atmos soundbar. Google Chromecast, Google Chromecast TV

System Two: Oppo BDP-80 BluRay Player with hardware mode to be region free, Vivitek HD1080P 1080P DLP projector with 100" screen, Denon AVRS730H 7.2 Channel Dolby Atmos/DTS-X AV Receiver, Samsung 4K player, Google Chromecast, Odroid C2 running Kodi and Plex

 

 


snaffta

38 posts

Geek


  #109151 7-Feb-2008 19:40
Send private message



That's the model I am looking at. I was also looking at ebay but the price wasn't that good. More like $490. I like the model because it has 3 HDMI inputs (I need 3), does audio over HDMI via PCM. While I have both a BR player (PS3) and HD-DVD player (Toshiba A3) neither outputs Dolby True HD or DTS-Master HD over bitstream so I don't need a AVR that can process those audio formats. The players can do it and just output PCM.

No issue with 110V since I would be replacing a AVR that currently is 110V anyway.

My thoughts. The only thing holding me up is, whether or not I will travelling to the US soon and can pick it up there to save on postage.

Larry


OK. Well there definately _was_ a unit for US$214 which worked out to NZ$290 + $133 post.  Postage was probably quoted in US now that I think about it...
I think it's expired now.

What are you're main reasons for chosing 810 over the 710/510?

Ta.


  



snaffta

38 posts

Geek


  #109153 7-Feb-2008 19:45
Send private message

rscole86:
snaffta:
Thanx for the 15odd views of the viod... Now this thread actually has text in it...

Ta.


I am sure that people will reply if they are able to help you. Just for the record, I looked at this just to see if I could help. And I can't.

I am sure that you wil appreciate that I have now added to your thread, albeit an unhelpful answer.





... Yeah but I had a BLANK thread, for about an hour or so...                     Coz I pressed enter.           Before i typed anything.

But i do appreciate unhelpful answers...

~Snaff

snaffta

38 posts

Geek


  #109158 7-Feb-2008 19:59
Send private message



On the other hand, bitstream (the term in it's home theatre usage) is an output of data that is still coded in a range of formats e.g Dolby Digital, primarily for the purpose of reducing the bit rate and therefore storage requirements. Bitstream needs to be decoded before the DAC process, generally.

Home theatre receivers with HDMI inputs are able to output multi-channel sound when receiving PCM via HDMI from a source or player. That is to say when the decoding has been done at the source. (Though some early hdmi receivers simply acted as hdmi switches and couldn't output audio ).

Recently receivers have come on to the market with the ability to decode bitsteam data in the latest formats, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS Master Audio etc. These receivers are currently in a higher price range than you are considering and your PS3 doesn't currently output high definition audio formats as bitstream anyway.

I'm not familiar with the Sony STR-DG810 but I believe their ES range is more highly regarded soundwise. Other brands to consider are Pioneer, Denon and Yamaha. Most manufacturer's sites have manuals etc and most receivers are reviewed somewhere on-line eg CNET.


Details:

  • 100 watts x 6 into 8 ohms (20-20,000 Hz) at 0.09% THD
  • Dolby® Digital EX, DTS-ES®, DTS Neo:6, and Dolby Pro Logic® IIx, and Digital Cinema Sound processing
  • Digital Cinema Sound modes
  • 1080p-compatible HDMI digital audio/video switching (3 in, 1 out)
  • component video switching: 3 in, 1 out
  • 4 audio/video inputs, including:
    • 1 front-panel input with composite video
    • 3 rear-panel inputs with composite video
  • 2 audio-only inputs
  • no phono input
  • digital inputs: 2 optical, 1 coaxial
  • 2 sets of main speaker outputs
  • binding post speaker terminals (spring clip connectors for speaker B output)

Gutted really. No Phono input...
I looked at the ES. Series. Way too expensive for me.
And i can't find a pioneer denon or yamaha with same features for less than $twice.

I don't see why they are so expensive? I guess 'cos they don't sell as many/new on the market.

Ta ~snaff.

lchiu7
5870 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #109164 7-Feb-2008 20:21
Send private message

snaffta:


That's the model I am looking at. I was also looking at ebay but the price wasn't that good. More like $490. I like the model because it has 3 HDMI inputs (I need 3), does audio over HDMI via PCM. While I have both a BR player (PS3) and HD-DVD player (Toshiba A3) neither outputs Dolby True HD or DTS-Master HD over bitstream so I don't need a AVR that can process those audio formats. The players can do it and just output PCM.

No issue with 110V since I would be replacing a AVR that currently is 110V anyway.

My thoughts. The only thing holding me up is, whether or not I will travelling to the US soon and can pick it up there to save on postage.

Larry


OK. Well there definately _was_ a unit for US$214 which worked out to NZ$290 + $133 post. Postage was probably quoted in US now that I think about it...
I think it's expired now.

What are you're main reasons for chosing 810 over the 710/510?

Ta.





I wanted a AVR that had 3 HDMI connections, not concerned about 7.1 since I would only be placing 6 speakers and it had to be able to process HDMI audio. It didn't need to be able to process Dolby True HD or DTS-HD Master either




Staying in Wellington. Check out my AirBnB in the Wellington CBD.  https://www.airbnb.co.nz/rooms/32019730  Mention GZ to get a 10% discount

 

System One:  PS3 SuperSlim, NPVR and Plex Server running on Intel NUC (C2D) (Windows 10 Pro), Sony BDP-S390 BD player, Pioneer AVR, Odroid C2 running Kodi and Plex, Panasonic 60" 3D plasma, Samsung Q80 Atmos soundbar. Google Chromecast, Google Chromecast TV

System Two: Oppo BDP-80 BluRay Player with hardware mode to be region free, Vivitek HD1080P 1080P DLP projector with 100" screen, Denon AVRS730H 7.2 Channel Dolby Atmos/DTS-X AV Receiver, Samsung 4K player, Google Chromecast, Odroid C2 running Kodi and Plex

 

 


snaffta

38 posts

Geek


  #109166 7-Feb-2008 20:26
Send private message





I wanted a AVR that had 3 HDMI connections, not concerned about 7.1 since I would only be placing 6 speakers and it had to be able to process HDMI audio. It didn't need to be able to process Dolby True HD or DTS-HD Master either


Sweet.   I guess you already explained that... :)

stuzzo
534 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #109171 7-Feb-2008 20:43
Send private message



I don't see why they are so expensive? I guess 'cos they don't sell as many/new on the market.




That's a much debated point and, as you say, the causes are related to the size of the market. I recently noted a receiver that had an NZ$ RRP of 2.2 times the US$ RRP when the exchange rate  is about 1.3.  Consequently a lot of buyers either buy from overseas or wait till effectively the models are on runnout and discounted. Maybe the manufacturers/ distributers need a new model for smaller markets.

richms
25305 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  #109190 7-Feb-2008 22:18
Send private message

keep in mind that if you get a US model with a univeral remote that it will possibly not have the codes you need for a sky box etc, whereas the local ones seem to take care of that, and the tuner will be useless if it doesnt have selectable stepping and de-emphasis (if a tuner matters to you that is)

If the powercable is detachable, cable tie the US one to the back of the unit so someone doesnt replace it with a kiwi one inadvertantly.




Richard rich.ms

richms
25305 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  #109191 7-Feb-2008 22:22
Send private message

Also as for NZ being a ripoff, a while back the denon 3805 was selling in NZ for a price that you could almost get 3 of them in the states for the money converted over. and that was MSRP, not the actual price they were selling for.

The fascists on the audioenz forum kept pulling threads about it - no doubt to keep eastern hifi happy to have their pillaging continue. Marantz gear is quite reasonable in NZ, but the cheap sony stuff is a total ripoff - even the car stuff is still well overpriced except the bottom of the barrel models.




Richard rich.ms

snaffta

38 posts

Geek


  #109439 9-Feb-2008 10:53
Send private message

richms:
The fascists on the audioenz forum kept pulling threads about it - no doubt to keep eastern hifi happy to have their pillaging continue. Marantz gear is quite reasonable in NZ, but the cheap sony stuff is a total ripoff - even the car stuff is still well overpriced except the bottom of the barrel models.


Yes, I find it interesting. Always been mildly cautious with sony. I think I might be in a target demographic (or something). I ofteen tend to lean towards the cheaper enhanced function system, which is often sony. Telling myself that it probably more tempermental product than it first appears. You can get a bad setup quite easliy.

Ta.

 1 | 2
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News and reviews »

OPPO Launches ColorOS 13 Global Version
Posted 19-Aug-2022 11:30


GoTo Launches IT Helpdesk Functionality Within GoTo Connect
Posted 18-Aug-2022 16:55


HP on Track With Recycling Program
Posted 18-Aug-2022 16:51


Belkin Screenforce Tempered Glass Screen Protector and Bumper - Apple Watch
Posted 15-Aug-2022 17:20


Samsung Introducing Galaxy Z Flip4 and Galaxy Z Fold4
Posted 11-Aug-2022 01:00


Samsung Unveils Health Innovations with Galaxy Watch5 and Galaxy Watch5 Pro
Posted 11-Aug-2022 01:00


Google Bringing First Cloud Region to Aotearoa New Zealand
Posted 10-Aug-2022 08:51


ANZ To Move to FIS Modern Banking Platform
Posted 10-Aug-2022 08:28


GoPro Hero10 Black Review
Posted 8-Aug-2022 17:41


Amazon to Acquire iRobot
Posted 6-Aug-2022 11:41


Samsung x LIFE Picture Collection Brings Iconic Moments in History to The Frame
Posted 4-Aug-2022 17:04


Norton Consumer Cyber Safety Pulse Report: Phishing for New Bait on Social Media
Posted 4-Aug-2022 16:50


Microsoft Announces New Solutions for Threat Intelligence and Attack Surface Management
Posted 3-Aug-2022 21:54


Seagate Addresses Hyperscale Workloads with Enterprise-Class Nytro SSDs
Posted 3-Aug-2022 21:50


Visa Launching Eco-friendly Payment Solutions in New Zealand
Posted 3-Aug-2022 21:48









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.







GoodSync is the easiest file sync and backup for Windows and Mac