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  Reply # 1542761 27-Apr-2016 13:46
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thesudio: The samsung player has a seperate audio out hdmi so non issue cheers

 

 

 

Much like when 3D came along and they needed two HDMI outputs as early on most receivers couldn't do 3D. 


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  Reply # 1542819 27-Apr-2016 14:44
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I ended up cancelling my pre-order from the US as they kept pushing back the order fulfil date.  In the meantime the Panasonic DMP-UB900 has been release in Europe at £599 surprised might end up getting the Samsung after all.

 

 


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  Reply # 1542832 27-Apr-2016 15:00
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Physical disks are a PITA these days to deal with.   I can't see the need for bluray players in the future, with fast online streaming. I have a normal bluray player, and I have only ever watched online bluray on it. Unless UHD ones are $100 or less, they aren't going to sell too many these days. Sure the picture and sound should be better, but...


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  Reply # 1542833 27-Apr-2016 15:02
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jaidevp:

I ended up cancelling my pre-order from the US as they kept pushing back the order fulfil date.  In the meantime the Panasonic DMP-UB900 has been release in Europe at £599 surprised might end up getting the Samsung after all.


 



It took me a week from when it came into stock but I had pre ordered months ago its in stock everywhere now. Panasonic are getting better reviews though just in terms of playing nice with 2015 tvs and the harddrive is nice as a feature set, far more elegant than plugging my hd into the samsungs front usb port, pretty hideous tbh but the price to quality is unbeatable unless pioneer flex their muscle

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  Reply # 1542835 27-Apr-2016 15:05
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mattwnz:

Physical disks are a PITA these days to deal with.   I can't see the need for bluray players in the future, with fast online streaming. I have a normal bluray player, and I have only ever watched online bluray on it. Unless UHD ones are $100 or less, they aren't going to sell too many these days. Sure the picture and sound should be better, but...



The discs from amazon are around $40 if you get free shipping otherwise $55ish, you arent wrong this is dubbed "the last physical medium" but its still going be supreme to any streamed media untill every one has atleast 100mbps connections but it will happen eventually in the meantime theres this lol

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  Reply # 1542838 27-Apr-2016 15:08
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Regular Blu-ray is still considerably better quality than any sort of streaming. Even services like Lightbox - run by an ISP with 200 Mb/s services - are still heavily compressed. While streaming will likely catch up at some point, I'm still happy to support new physical formats.

 

In some cases physical copies are cheaper than streaming too, plus there are no issues with content disappearing as rights change.


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  Reply # 1542853 27-Apr-2016 15:23
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thesudio:
mattwnz:

 

Physical disks are a PITA these days to deal with.   I can't see the need for bluray players in the future, with fast online streaming. I have a normal bluray player, and I have only ever watched online bluray on it. Unless UHD ones are $100 or less, they aren't going to sell too many these days. Sure the picture and sound should be better, but...

 



The discs from amazon are around $40 if you get free shipping otherwise $55ish, you arent wrong this is dubbed "the last physical medium" but its still going be supreme to any streamed media untill every one has atleast 100mbps connections but it will happen eventually in the meantime theres this lol


Just to note - 100mbps (megabits, small 'm') is nowhere near the 40MBps (bytes, large 'M') that Bluray disks are normally encoded at.  And even thought UHD Bluray uses better compression, it is still sitting at about 100MBps.  You would need a Gigabit Internet connection to stream anywhere near Bluray UHD quality and event then services such as Netflix that do offer 4K videos have them compressed many times more than any physical disk format.

Remember - Streaming is not a replacement for physical disks per se; it's all about the convenience factor.  People would rather sit on the couch and do everything with the remote than get up and deal with physical disks.


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  Reply # 1542854 27-Apr-2016 15:25
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timbosan: 100mbps (megabits, small 'm') is nowhere near the 40MBps (bytes, large 'M')

 

I think you meant b/B :)

 

b - bit
B - byte
m - milli
M - mega
p - pico
/ - per

 

Also, you're incorrect about the Blu-ray bitrate; it's around 40 Mb/s (megabits), not megabytes. 40 MB/s would be 144 GB/hour, which is of course far in excess of the typical 50 GB disc capacity.


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  Reply # 1542856 27-Apr-2016 15:33
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This is my fibre at home is Mbps? Streaming looks amazing on my htpc

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Reply # 1542859 27-Apr-2016 15:36
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Behodar:

 

timbosan: 100mbps (megabits, small 'm') is nowhere near the 40MBps (bytes, large 'M')

 

I think you meant b/B :)

 

b - bit
B - byte
m - milli
M - mega
p - pico
/ - per

 

Also, you're incorrect about the Blu-ray bitrate; it's around 40 Mb/s (megabits), not megabytes. 40 MB/s would be 144 GB/hour, which is of course far in excess of the typical 50 GB disc capacity.

 



LOL!  Sorry, was too busy fixing my SQL code at work, typing too quickly.  But yeah, you are right, its B vs b.  My bad.  But I didn't know the Bluray bitrate was mb, not MB.  Interesting.  So you could stream a Bluray UHD over a 200Mbps UFB connection....


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  Reply # 1542860 27-Apr-2016 15:37
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Mbps and mbps are the same thing, as it is the 'B' that is upper case or lower :)

 

MBps describes a megaBYTE

 

Mbps describes a megaBIT

 

1 BYTE is made of 8 BITS

 

Internet is always described as BITS per second, where as data transfer is always measured in BYTES per second.

 

100Mbps means you can download at a theoretical maximum of 12.5MBps (1/8th)

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1542864 27-Apr-2016 15:40
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macuser:

Mbps and mbps are the same thing, as it is the 'B' that is upper case or lower :)


MBps describes a megaBYTE


Mbps describes a megaBIT


1 BYTE is made of 8 BITS


Internet is always described as BITS per second, where as data transfer is always measured in BYTES per second.


100Mbps means you can download at a theoretical maximum of 12.5MBps (1/8th)


 


 



This is what I assumed

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  Reply # 1542885 27-Apr-2016 16:12
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timbosan:Interesting.  So you could stream a Bluray UHD over a 200Mbps UFB connection....

 

Yip, UHD bluray has a max bitrate of 128Mb/s so you could do it over a 200Mb/s connection,

 

Although other than as a internet connection a 200Mb/s link is pretty slow,

 

USB 2 is 480Mb/s and USB3 is rated to 5Gb/s and Thunderbolt pushes 10Gb/s

 

Trying to move a 30GB BluRay MKV to a USB 2 drive is **painfully slow**


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  Reply # 1542993 27-Apr-2016 19:41
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thesudio:
jaidevp:

 

I ended up cancelling my pre-order from the US as they kept pushing back the order fulfil date.  In the meantime the Panasonic DMP-UB900 has been release in Europe at £599 surprised might end up getting the Samsung after all.

 

 

 

 

 



It took me a week from when it came into stock but I had pre ordered months ago its in stock everywhere now. Panasonic are getting better reviews though just in terms of playing nice with 2015 tvs and the harddrive is nice as a feature set, far more elegant than plugging my hd into the samsungs front usb port, pretty hideous tbh but the price to quality is unbeatable unless pioneer flex their muscle

 

 

 

Are Pioneer doing an UHD Blu-ray player?

 

I'm not so sure they have much in the way of muscles to flex anymore... Onkyo will  be calling the shots in the Onkyo/Pioneer marriage.


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  Reply # 1543257 28-Apr-2016 10:22
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Well yes puny muscle lol

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