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# 207810 15-Jan-2017 01:19
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So I finally decided that I would upgrade to a 4K TV from my 2009 Series 6 Samsung 40" TV.

 

I picked up a 49 KU7000 Series 7 from Noel Leeming on the New Years sale and after 5 days of watching it I just couldn't ignore the terrible pockets of lightbleed coming up from the bottom right corner of the screen.

 

Spent a few hours going back and forth between Samsung and Noel Leeming and they assured me this is not normal, but they would not do a straight exchange and they demanded that I return it to Noel Leeming, Noel Leeming ship it Samsung, they evaluate and then I would hear back if it was deemed a defect or not.  After 5 days and many calls, they came back to me today and said, "Yes, it's a DOA manufacturer defect."  Noel Leeming gave me a brand new one, brought it home and lo and behold, the light bleed is actually worse on the replacement.

 

Is this just the new norm with these edge lit panels?  Are they simply not capable of making one without light bleed? 

 

Or am I just being picky and everyone just lives with all this light bleed whenever they have dark scenes in movies and TV shows?

 

For a TV that is priced at $2100 I would expect it to be an improvement over my (nearly) 8 year old Samsung Series 6 - or at least comparable.  

 

Here's what I'm seeing for bleed

 

KU7000 Light Bleed


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  # 1703378 15-Jan-2017 09:28
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Wonder how the other three sides can manage it but not the bottom??


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  # 1703388 15-Jan-2017 09:37
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I'd expect to see that on an LED if I owned one... to me it's just what LED's do.

 

Then again, this is coming from a OLED / Plasma guy.

 

 

 

I honestly would struggle to recommend an LED that won't exhibit this sort of behaviour.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1703396 15-Jan-2017 10:01
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As mentioned above, most LED edge-lit TVs will display this behaviour to some degree, although yours looks pretty bad compared to most I've seen. Your old Series 6 (I had one!) was better in this respect because the CFL backlight was rear-lit (hence why they were quite 'fat') Unless you can afford to go OLED, your best bet would be to try and find a rear-lit LED although I/m not sure how many of those are around anymore.




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  # 1703397 15-Jan-2017 10:03
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Well all the reviews and comments on the various forums around the web report zero flash light effect / no bleed.  So maybe this part of a whole batch that failed QC at Samsung?

 

Either way, I'm taking the TV back today and asking for my money back.  Just not sure what to do now.  

 

 

 

Would be interesting to hear if anyone on these forums has 2016 Series 7 Samsung model and what they are seeing.


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  # 1703413 15-Jan-2017 10:35
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Light bleed to some extent is normal in the backlit LED world as it's the basis for how the TV works. Google will lead you to so many posts about the issue you really have to wonder how common large amounts of light bleed are.

 

IMHO I would never ever touch a Samsung TV. I've never been impressed by them and find their performance terrible despite what many reviewers may seem to think. IMHO Panasonic have the best LED TV's, followed by LG (LG actually make the panels for Panasonic).

 

If you want to avoid light bleed your only choice is OLED, but having said that in reality OLED is the only choice if you actually want a decent TV. The problem is the price. It's ironic now with the demise of Pioneer plasma's 2 years ago that it's now impossible to buy a good TV without spending $5k on it (unless you want the curved 55" OLED which are being cleared everywhere for $3k).

 

As for your panel there is no way I'd accept that, but it would be really interesting to see a blank input display on every panel on display at a NL store and gauge for yourself what is the norm is a TV.

 

 


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  # 1703463 15-Jan-2017 12:00
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sbiddle:

 

Light bleed to some extent is normal in the backlit LED world as it's the basis for how the TV works. Google will lead you to so many posts about the issue you really have to wonder how common large amounts of light bleed are.

 

IMHO I would never ever touch a Samsung TV. I've never been impressed by them and find their performance terrible despite what many reviewers may seem to think. IMHO Panasonic have the best LED TV's, followed by LG (LG actually make the panels for Panasonic).

 

If you want to avoid light bleed your only choice is OLED, but having said that in reality OLED is the only choice if you actually want a decent TV. The problem is the price. It's ironic now with the demise of Pioneer plasma's 2 years ago that it's now impossible to buy a good TV without spending $5k on it (unless you want the curved 55" OLED which are being cleared everywhere for $3k).

 

As for your panel there is no way I'd accept that, but it would be really interesting to see a blank input display on every panel on display at a NL store and gauge for yourself what is the norm is a TV.

 

 

 

I assume you meant Panasonic plasmas there... Pioneer plasmas were gone several years before that!  ;-)


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  # 1703480 15-Jan-2017 12:37
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I immediately noticed light bleed in the corners of my newly purchased Sony KD55x8500d, though not as bad as your Samsung.

 

The Sony LCD TV is a stop gap only until I can get my hands on a Sony or, preferably, Panasonic OLED - but I suspect this will be a good 18 months away before either reach NZ shores with an affordable ticket price.

 

I expect LCD and OLED will exist side by side for a few years to come, with LCD filling the lower cost end of the market while OLED production ramps up and becomes more cost effective. Eventually, OLED will take over the TV universe.

 

RIP plasma.


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  # 1703483 15-Jan-2017 12:41
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tangerz:

 

sbiddle:

 

Light bleed to some extent is normal in the backlit LED world as it's the basis for how the TV works. Google will lead you to so many posts about the issue you really have to wonder how common large amounts of light bleed are.

 

IMHO I would never ever touch a Samsung TV. I've never been impressed by them and find their performance terrible despite what many reviewers may seem to think. IMHO Panasonic have the best LED TV's, followed by LG (LG actually make the panels for Panasonic).

 

If you want to avoid light bleed your only choice is OLED, but having said that in reality OLED is the only choice if you actually want a decent TV. The problem is the price. It's ironic now with the demise of Pioneer plasma's 2 years ago that it's now impossible to buy a good TV without spending $5k on it (unless you want the curved 55" OLED which are being cleared everywhere for $3k).

 

As for your panel there is no way I'd accept that, but it would be really interesting to see a blank input display on every panel on display at a NL store and gauge for yourself what is the norm is a TV.

 

 

 

I assume you meant Panasonic plasmas there... Pioneer plasmas were gone several years before that!  ;-)

 

 

 

 

Oops yes. Although Panasonic's Plasma technology was really the Pioneer technology as they sold all their patents and designs to Panasonic.

 

I still have a Pioneer Plasma which is now slowly dying. It's got bad screen burn and the screen is delaminating due to the heat but the blacks are still better than most TV's in a shop today. I just can't justify the price of an OLED at present in NZ - you could save around NZ$1700 by bringing one in from Aussie even after you've paid GST on it. I suspect we'll see the price of OLED drop this year to be a little more realistic.

 

 

 

 

 

 




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  # 1703505 15-Jan-2017 13:09
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sbiddle:

 

Light bleed to some extent is normal in the backlit LED world as it's the basis for how the TV works. Google will lead you to so many posts about the issue you really have to wonder how common large amounts of light bleed are.

 

IMHO I would never ever touch a Samsung TV. I've never been impressed by them and find their performance terrible despite what many reviewers may seem to think. IMHO Panasonic have the best LED TV's, followed by LG (LG actually make the panels for Panasonic).

 

If you want to avoid light bleed your only choice is OLED, but having said that in reality OLED is the only choice if you actually want a decent TV. The problem is the price. It's ironic now with the demise of Pioneer plasma's 2 years ago that it's now impossible to buy a good TV without spending $5k on it (unless you want the curved 55" OLED which are being cleared everywhere for $3k).

 

As for your panel there is no way I'd accept that, but it would be really interesting to see a blank input display on every panel on display at a NL store and gauge for yourself what is the norm is a TV.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What are the 55" OLEDs at $3k?  Is that LG or Panasonic?


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  # 1703509 15-Jan-2017 13:22
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spacedog:

 

What are the 55" OLEDs at $3k?  Is that LG or Panasonic?

 

 

I think he's referring to this:

 

http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=3266845

 

It's the older (not current) LG model. Only 55" and only 1920 x 1080. Curved too unfortunately....


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  # 1703561 15-Jan-2017 15:05
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My sony edge lit TV which is 3 years old doesn't have that sort of edge bleed. I too wouldn't be happy with that. I don't buy that brand, but instead stick to sony and panasonics. Apparently sony are bringing out some really good new models this year, so you may want to wait to see what comes out. 2k should buy you a better TV, than one that bleeds light like that. 




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  # 1703905 16-Jan-2017 08:04
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Picked up a Series 6 KU6000 - zero light bleed as it is direct lit instead of edge lit.  Spent a long time looking at the Sony and LG models, too.  They seemed to be doing a better job on edge lit flaws, but I just didn't have the patience or energy to risk getting another edge lit TV with bad light bleed. The picture is pretty good, but doesn't have the same peak brightness as the KU7000.  The TV market really is actually going backwards unless you spend upwards of $4k it seems.


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  # 1703907 16-Jan-2017 08:22
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spacedog:

 

The TV market really is actually going backwards unless you spend upwards of $4k it seems.

 

 

It's a race to the bottom to deliver low cost 4K panels. You're better off buying a Full HD panel in the ~ $2k range right now IMHO.

 

 

 

 


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  # 1704268 16-Jan-2017 16:43
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sbiddle:

 

you could save around NZ$1700 by bringing one in from Aussie even after you've paid GST on it. I suspect we'll see the price of OLED drop this year to be a little more realistic.

 

 

 

 

I see that the 4K LG 55B6T OLED is going for just under $3K Aus. Cheapest here is around $5500NZ. Hopefully they do come down this year. Not very happy with my Panny 65" DX700 and would love to go an OLED.

 

 


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