eXDee: Would be nice if we could get in contact with Joker to try and sort some of these things out - obviously he can't do much without information since hes not in NZ and each NDS system varies.

Satch: I'm still not convinced that a Sky card deactivates.  Talking to Cyril over at Audioenz, he believes that perhaps that updates are passed to the Sky STB, and over time if the card is not in the STB they become out of sync (or something like that - I don't really understand it all!!!).  So your Sky card may work happily in your HTPC for ages.  But when you need to put it back into your Sky STB, that's where a call to Sky comes in...

djaggar:

Satch: I'm still not convinced that a Sky card deactivates.  Talking to Cyril over at Audioenz, he believes that perhaps that updates are passed to the Sky STB, and over time if the card is not in the STB they become out of sync (or something like that - I don't really understand it all!!!).  So your Sky card may work happily in your HTPC for ages.  But when you need to put it back into your Sky STB, that's where a call to Sky comes in...

Exposing that much of their encryption to the likes of Pace, Motorola, Scientific Atlanta, Thomson, Zenith and several other STB manufacturers would be about as smart as posting the algorithm here ... I think you'll find NDSCam, and therefore the sky box, does sod all in this regard ... for that very reason ...

Satch:

djaggar:

Satch: I'm still not convinced that a Sky card deactivates.  Talking to Cyril over at Audioenz, he believes that perhaps that updates are passed to the Sky STB, and over time if the card is not in the STB they become out of sync (or something like that - I don't really understand it all!!!).  So your Sky card may work happily in your HTPC for ages.  But when you need to put it back into your Sky STB, that's where a call to Sky comes in...

Exposing that much of their encryption to the likes of Pace, Motorola, Scientific Atlanta, Thomson, Zenith and several other STB manufacturers would be about as smart as posting the algorithm here ... I think you'll find NDSCam, and therefore the sky box, does sod all in this regard ... for that very reason ...

Not sure I understand?  This is specifically what he said

"hmmm, was it really deactivated, or more likely a key roll was sent out but because the box was not working properly (ie card not in) then the key roll was missed so the card is out of sequence, this happens quite often if someone leaves there box off for any period, 4-6weeks is the normal key roll."

It says it better than what I tried to describe!

djaggar:
Your description made it sound like the STB & the card both had a copy of the keys, for them to become "out of sync". All that happens is that the keys stored in the card don't get updated, so that when they have all "rolled over" you haven't got a new key to decode it with (because that bit of NDSCam that updates the card with new keys is not apparently working).

Satch:

djaggar:
Your description made it sound like the STB & the card both had a copy of the keys, for them to become "out of sync". All that happens is that the keys stored in the card don't get updated, so that when they have all "rolled over" you haven't got a new key to decode it with (because that bit of NDSCam that updates the card with new keys is not apparently working).

I'm by no means an expert on this stuff. In fact I know very little and go by what others tell me.

If you think you know exactly how it works, please detail it here. A number of people have been asking the question about card deactivation, so I'm sure your explanation will be welcome by all.

Satch: I'm by no means an expert on this stuff. In fact I know very little and go by what others tell me.

If you think you know exactly how it works, please detail it here. A number of people have been asking the question about card deactivation, so I'm sure your explanation will be welcome by all.

graemer: Coming back to the jaycar card... did anyone actually check the voltages on the card when they finished putting it together?

Mine seem somewhat lower than they suggest in the guide and not being the expert solderer that perhaps is needed, I am questioning my work.

Haven't tried putting the card in yet as I need to get a serial - usb converter.

cheers

Forgive me if I've missed it the thread is so long now. I'm pretty sure if you have two or more tuners you can decrypt and record two channels right? How about if you only have one tuner but it's on the same multiplex (transponder)? I'm know if it's unencrypted you can record two or more channels (basically up to the whole multiplex presuming your card and HD can manage it) with some software programs that support it (DVBviewer is one of them). I presume you can also us record the encrypted channels and then later decrypt them. But is it possible with current software to record decrypt and record multiple channels from the same multiplex with one tuner?

How many multiplexes are there for Sky anyway and what channels are on what? Edit: Nevermind found this http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skynz.html Interesting, the 3 Sports channels are on seperate transponders although at least the Rugby Channels and Sky Sport 2 are together (Sport 1 usually shows whats on Rugby if there's any interesting Rugby on anyway). Indeed it even has BBC and UKTV. Indeed IMHO probably one of the most useful multiplexes if your into sport and have the rugby channel.

Cheers

I presume you can also us record the encrypted channels and then later decrypt them. But is it possible with current software to record decrypt and record multiple channels from the same multiplex with one tuner?

djaggar:

Satch: I'm still not convinced that a Sky card deactivates.? Talking to Cyril over at Audioenz, he believes that perhaps that updates are passed to the Sky STB, and over time if the card is not in the STB they become out of sync (or something like that - I don't really understand it all!!!).? So your Sky card may work happily in your HTPC for ages.? But when you need to put it back into your Sky STB, that's where a call to Sky comes in...

Exposing that much of their encryption to the likes of Pace, Motorola, Scientific Atlanta, Thomson, Zenith and several other STB manufacturers would be about as smart as posting the algorithm here ... I think you'll find NDSCam, and therefore the sky box, does sod all in this regard ... for that very reason ...