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Topic # 215129 13-Jun-2017 13:47
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Hey all,

 

The fathers new build is almost complete. He recently purchased a LG TV of the last generation for 1500, It is a 55" and it apparently has this "Smart/Magic remote (Like a roku box)" I told him that before he buys anything electronic that he consults me so i can consult you guys.
So he bought 2 of these things.

Before he buys a sound bar for some extortionate price i would like some feedback.

 

Currently everything is finished but still have access down behind the TV/Media area and ceiling cavity as its mounted above a gas fireplace.

 

So we can do 2 or 3 front wall mounted speakers and 2 ceiling (Above couch) and it will work well. 
Dad is set on a sound bar, Has a nice wooden shelf for it to go on under the TV too. He wants to spend $800 on a sound bar but will spend more on home theater.

I hope i made what we need and our parameters clear enough.

To help us decide here,

 

  • Whats a sound bar for that price range. Lets just make it under 1k so we got options.
  • What sort of in wall speakers would you suggest, whats the cost for 5?
  • What amp suits ethernet/wifi and playing pandora/spotify/music from phone.

What else should i be covering? Suggestions are welcome.

Effectively he just wants it to play the TV sound when he wants it (Movies etc) play off his android phones, play the radio. 
I added weight to the speakers+Amp setup by saying we can do zones and setup an outdoor sound system.

This is getting quite complex now but will i need to run my own (lets just say plex for now) plex server to handle that media delivery or can you now get amps that will communicate with stock android over WiFi as an audio chrome cast would? This is foreign territory for me here..

 

 

 

Any help is appreciated.

 

Thanks
Tim


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  Reply # 1799335 13-Jun-2017 13:51
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I think that having outdoor music and the ability with an Amp+Speakers is much greater than a stupid sound bar. It would be appreciated if we could see what can be done to my above spec with 2k tops.

 

Soundbars seem to me like they are just as good as an apple product. Looks cool, sounds good on paper. Heap of junk when you try and use it. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1799336 13-Jun-2017 13:51
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Not come across soundbars with radios in them. If that is important to him then verify first that you will get radio.

 

Casting capabilities vary  between receivers. Just because something says google cast, and the app on your phone has a cast button does not mean it will work. Audio cast is very different to video casting in how it works behind the scenes too.

 

I have had massive issues with the wireless sub on both an LG and a sony soundbar dropping out. I was not able to find one with a wired sub when looking.





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  Reply # 1799338 13-Jun-2017 13:55
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richms:

 

Not come across soundbars with radios in them. If that is important to him then verify first that you will get radio.

 

Casting capabilities vary  between receivers. Just because something says google cast, and the app on your phone has a cast button does not mean it will work. Audio cast is very different to video casting in how it works behind the scenes too.

 

I have had massive issues with the wireless sub on both an LG and a sony soundbar dropping out. I was not able to find one with a wired sub when looking.

 

 

 

 

Yes, A Sub is a requirement! May change what options we have for a sound bar.

 

 


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  Reply # 1799339 13-Jun-2017 13:55
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I have some Sonos gear in different places around the house - including a soundbar and two play1 speakers as surrounds.

 

It "just works", I have had no issues with it at all. It plays the radio via internet, it plays any number of other sources, and it does a very good job of surround sound with our TV.  Only caveat is that the soundbar needs an optical input from the TV.

 

More than happy to answer any other questions about it - but bottom line is that it works a treat, sounds really good and has very high WAF.


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  Reply # 1799343 13-Jun-2017 14:01
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Only sonos need optical because they are old tech behind the scenes. Any others will be fine on an HDMI ARC cable from the TV which will sort out your lipsync automatically.

 

I bought a pair of sonos multirooms and found them to be pretty bad for sync between them and also dropping out occasionally.

 

I have the LG musicflow soundbar which can use the musicflow multirooms as rear speakers. Its pretty much an abandoned product now so I would not recommend LG based on the trash support offered. Its wireless rear speaker mode was problematic. It uses wifi like multiroom so the sync is aweful. Fine when something is only from the rear but it really messed up some atomosphric sounds to make them sound like they were only from the front because the rear was so lagged out. On a real HT you have delays to get things nicely in sync with each other to the listening spot. The wireless stuff just seems to throw a random delay at it and it will change after each glitch in playback which seems to happen often due to wireless.





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  Reply # 1799366 13-Jun-2017 14:24
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richms:

 

Only sonos need optical because they are old tech behind the scenes. Any others will be fine on an HDMI ARC cable from the TV which will sort out your lipsync automatically.

 

I bought a pair of sonos multirooms and found them to be pretty bad for sync between them and also dropping out occasionally.

 

I have the LG musicflow soundbar which can use the musicflow multirooms as rear speakers. Its pretty much an abandoned product now so I would not recommend LG based on the trash support offered. Its wireless rear speaker mode was problematic. It uses wifi like multiroom so the sync is aweful. Fine when something is only from the rear but it really messed up some atomosphric sounds to make them sound like they were only from the front because the rear was so lagged out. On a real HT you have delays to get things nicely in sync with each other to the listening spot. The wireless stuff just seems to throw a random delay at it and it will change after each glitch in playback which seems to happen often due to wireless.

 

 

 

 

Ok ill make sure i let him know to avoid those LG bars and wireless tech in general.
Sounds like its gonna be home theater.


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  Reply # 1799416 13-Jun-2017 14:34
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Interesting - I haven't had any issues with the Sonos wireless dropping out.  Until recently, when I purchased some Unifi gear, I was letting all my android devices access the sonos net as well to allow for improved wireless coverage in the house - even with that extra load on the network, the speakers still remained in sync.  The only issue I did notice was the external speakers on the deck were slightly out of sync with the inside ones, and that was due to the delay time in the amp that was driving the second set of speakers - nothing to do with sonos at all. I'm not arguing that you're wrong at all, just my experience with the gear - and I've got about six room's worth.  


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  Reply # 1799442 13-Jun-2017 14:58
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If you place 2 of the sonos beside each other and play the same thing, then the delay is really obvious as a reverbieness or echo to the sound. If they were in phase with each other it would just be a bit louder.

 

This lead to listening in the kitchen, but hearing the sound from the dining room before the kitchen ones so it had a weird "pre-verb" to

 

I found out after getting them that the dual band branding was BS, and the mesh would only operate on 2.4 with the sonos, whereas the LGs would mesh on parts of 5GHz as well, so less interference there. I had one speaker wired, and the other on the sonos mesh. Never really played with them too much TBH, bought them unlistened to and was very underwhelmed with the sound quality for the price. $99 would have been ok, but for the $700ish for 2 speakers they had to go and then the LGs went on the end of line sale so got those instead. Wireless mesh didnt drop out but found limitiations in their implimentations of it once I had more than a few speakers so gave up on the mesh and connected each to the wifi network individually, with none wired and it worked much better. Later on got the LG soundbar as it was end of line as well, and it works great as a sound bar when the sub is really close to it, but the wireless rear seems to use the same audio over wifi without any way of keeping it in sync that multiroom uses.

 

I would stick to wired everything, a proper reciever that will take HDMI ARC back from the TV and add a chromecast audio and a chromecast video to it for you casting from the phone needs. The audio chromecast starts up much faster from apps than the video one does, and seems to handle switching away from the app you started the cast with much more reliably. Plus the chromecast audio will multiroom with others so you can stick one on a kitchen speaker or whatever and just cast to a group of them.





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  Reply # 1799453 13-Jun-2017 15:11
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The setup I have is an Onkyo Receiver which was about $800 and I have that setup with a Kef 'egg' 5.1 speaker package along with 2 up-firing Onkyo Atmos speakers that fire the audio up to the ceiling. I got the atmos speakers free with the reciever in my main room. The Kef speakers were about $1000 on sale. For Zone 2 which is outside on the deck I got some Fusion Marine speakers off trademe (about $100). The sub is 'ok' but could be a bit better but way better than a soundbar sub. the other speakers are awesome and put out an amazing sound even if they look small.

 

This system works well for me as you can control it from an onkyo smartphone app. you can do radio as well as Tunein, spotify etc Zone 1 is setup for my main theatre and Zone 2 outside. I have added a Google audio chromecast but to be honest I mainly cast Spotify so just use the inbuilt spotify feature 

 

you need to pre-wire your speaker wire, hdmi etc so probably a few hundred for the cables. All in all under $2,000 or slightly over.




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  Reply # 1799494 13-Jun-2017 15:45
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The setup I have is an Onkyo Receiver which was about $800 and I have that setup with a Kef 'egg' 5.1 speaker package along with 2 up-firing Onkyo Atmos speakers that fire the audio up to the ceiling. I got the atmos speakers free with the reciever in my main room. The Kef speakers were about $1000 on sale. For Zone 2 which is outside on the deck I got some Fusion Marine speakers off trademe (about $100). The sub is 'ok' but could be a bit better but way better than a soundbar sub. the other speakers are awesome and put out an amazing sound even if they look small.

 

This system works well for me as you can control it from an onkyo smartphone app. you can do radio as well as Tunein, spotify etc Zone 1 is setup for my main theatre and Zone 2 outside. I have added a Google audio chromecast but to be honest I mainly cast Spotify so just use the inbuilt spotify feature 

 

you need to pre-wire your speaker wire, hdmi etc so probably a few hundred for the cables. All in all under $2,000 or slightly over.

 

 

 

 

Yup, I can get free speaker cable from my old boss, He had 4 core and 2 core lying around by the tonne! I think we will go with in wall options. 
I will see what Onkyo "receiver" is on sale and what prices. Can you suggest any model numbers that fit the job? Not too keen to throw chrome casts around, was using it as a functional example.

Will mock up some basic setups and see what it will cost and if it does what we need. But i think the soundbar is out of the question which is a relief. Its a small house in the sense he has a massive living area. Hard to do things with open space!

 

 

 

Below is the TV position, The wall is thin and hard to get speakers mounted in the wall. Also the shelves to the right reek havok with my symmetry OCD. Maybe 2 clip on and a centre speaker? The clip on ones above the shelves angled down like a cinema then a sub centre TV in the roof facing down and then 2 speakers above the couch facing down in ceiling? 

 

 

 

I have Cat6 back to the network cabinet that i can put audio gear into if needs be if that helps??

 


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  Reply # 1799502 13-Jun-2017 15:55
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Have you considered Bose Soundtouch 300 soundbar? It has an option of buying a wireless subwoofer and wireless surround speakers.

 

There is an additional optional soundtouch devices you can buy to extend the ability to play the same sound at various locations around the house.

 

I am using it and I can say it does everything I want with crystal clear far superior sound compared to clunky big amps and sound systems at that price mark.


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  Reply # 1799504 13-Jun-2017 15:59
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At a very basic level, Id look at it this way....  does he entertain or like his music/movies loud ? Yes = Full HT   No = Sound bar is an option.

 

 





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  Reply # 1799608 13-Jun-2017 19:16
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Yamaha RXA760 (4 year warranty) or RXV683 (2 year warranty - but brand spanking new with Tidal and Deezer built in) amplifier.

 

1: Renowned reliability

 

2: Great sound

 

3: Ease of use.

 

4: Built-in multi-room audio (musiccast) that can be run on iOS or Android.

 

Zone 2 capability for the outdoor speakers.

 

Choose 'audio synch' when you link a room and any source can be played from Zone 1 to Zone 2 IN SYNCH. None of this delay / echo stuff...

 

All sources he may choose to use can be linked... HDMI, optical, FM, AM, RCA, coax, USB audio, Pandora, Spotify, bluetooth...

 

What's more, if you're playing a 5.1 source in the main room, you don't need to dumb it down to stereo in order to link it (a concert blu-ray will stay playing Dolby TrueHD in the main zone, while playing the same audio outside (zone 2)).

 

I'm yet to see / use any other multi-room AV products that can do this. 

 

 

 

Speakers:

 

Go for satellites if you can't fit in-walls.

 

Go for in-ceilings if you can't work with satellites.

 

In-ceilings with a good sub can sound great, but you do get what you pay for.

 

 

 

You NEED to listen to them before you buy them - one mans junk is another mans treasure...


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  Reply # 1799614 13-Jun-2017 19:39
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We recently purchased a LG OLED and i was in the same situation of what to do with sound. We opted for the LG SH4 , I have it linked via optical to the TV so the remote control for the TV controls the sound bar. It comes with a sub which is punchy enough for what we use it for. You can also have it wireless connect to the TV with LG Connect.

 

I never thought I would be one to buy a sound bar but this one suits us down to the ground and a reasonable prince.

 

https://www.noelleeming.co.nz/shop/audio/home-audio/sound-bars/lg-sj4-sound-bar/prod152096.html





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  Reply # 1799636 13-Jun-2017 20:21
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So much hate against sound bars?  

 

We purchased what now appears to be called the SH8 LG soundbar for our family room and absolutely love it.  Optical cable to the TV and have an older ipad connected as a media streaming device or can bluetooth anything to it.  Wireless performs faultlessly and sound is amazing, especially in cinema mode!  It was an odd shaped room and difficult to place surround speakers. This was an easy and ideal solution and wouldn't hesitate to recommend one for someone who can't or doesn't want speakers everywhere.    

 

 





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