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# 215184 16-Jun-2017 09:06
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I love to compare gadget prices online, usually for stuff I can't afford to buy ... a little fantasy is good for the soul.

 

What I have noticed is how much cheaper Home Theatre gear is in the USA. Both sets of speakers and AV surround sound amplifiers / receivers are often less than half the cost in NZ.

 

Why is this so?

 

Here's an example: Yamaha RX-681 7.2 Channel Network AV, currently selling for US$399.95 (NZ$555) at Newegg in the USA. Of course it is configured for US voltage (sadly).

 

In NZ this same device is currently being retailed in the range of NZ$1400-1500. I assume Newegg is making some profit, so why do we have to pay so much more here? Is this just price gouging  because only a few stores are importing this product?

 

In Australia the same device is selling for AU$1000-1200 (NZ$1052-1262). Even the Aussies are doing better than us!

 

I am sorely tempted to buy one from the USA, but I'd have to swap out the power supply/transformer and that would void the warranty.

 

YouShop charges $100 to ship this package to NZ, then there would be GST added, bringing the total cost to NZ$753. So even importing a single device brings in the RX-681 at near half the price that it is being retailed for in NZ. This does not seem right to me. The NZ retailers are really clipping the ticket here.

 

I don't know a lot about electronics, but I have been building and repairing PCs for the last 15 years. Here is a big assumption; if one could get hold of a 220V power supply / transformer for the RX-V681, it would probably be a very simple job to pop the US 110V transformer out and install the NZ 220V one. Then all things being equal, the device should work here.

 

The catch is sourcing the power supply/transformer. I'd be very keen to know if someone else has done this.

 

I appreciate that retailers struggle to keep in business when competing with online stores, but the prices in NZ for this device (and similar devices) seem excessive. Surely there must be some optimum price point where lower prices mean more sales volume, meaning more profit. Perhaps NZ retailers should think more about sales volume rather than excessive pricing.


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  # 1801890 16-Jun-2017 09:22
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Partly it's the "small country" tax. The US has a vast market for consumer electronics and so is very competitive.

Also their consumer protection is not as strong affecting the cost of supply. We have GST while they have sales tax to be added on.

Often the products are not actually the same. With AV receivers, for example, they will have a different product code and can be configured quite differently. Often US versions will be a lower mass market configuration especially with respect to things like power supplies and connections.

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  # 1801902 16-Jun-2017 09:29
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You could very well ask that question of anything - I was in the states last week and was astounded by all the car companies advertising their lease rates. As an example, you can lease a Ford F150 with all the bells & whistles for around US$200 a month. Yes please!!

 

A Ranger Wiltrak here sets you back well over $1000/month on lease.

 

I found many consumer goods (including food) to be many times cheaper than here.


 
 
 
 




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  # 1801913 16-Jun-2017 09:48
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I agree that market size is a huge factor, but they do have sales tax in the USA (although our GST is about twice as much). NZ level consumer protection is an added cost, but even when all these factors are considered I still think the price of Home Theatre gear in NZ is excessive. Compare this to the price of computer components. Yes, computer components in NZ are quite a bit more expensive than the same product in the USA, but not in the same magnitude as Home Theatre gear. This type of tech in NZ seems to be quite pricey.

 

Australia is a larger market than NZ, but often electronic goods are cheaper in NZ (except for home theater). In Oz they have more disposable income, and my guess is retailers match prices to what they consider the average punter can afford to pay, which is why some electronic goods are cheaper in NZ than Oz.

 

I would love to know how different the US Yamaha AV receivers are when compared to same or similar models selling here. I'd be willing to take a punt that is just the transformer.

 

I used to live in Hawaii, which had many advantages, but generally I found groceries (but not eating out) and rent to be cheaper in Wellington. Certainly rent and real estate was very expensive in Honolulu.

 

It would be great if all countries used the same power voltage. Online shopping bliss!


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  # 1801916 16-Jun-2017 09:51
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Economies of scale

Companies price products on what the Market will bear



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  # 1801953 16-Jun-2017 10:09
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nathan: Economies of scale

Companies price products on what the Market will bear

 

You have it, "what the market will bear". If we decompose what the market will bear, part of that decomposition will be public perception and expectation of value/price for a particular product range (along with the more quantitative factors like disposable income). I think retailers like to educate the public with regard to perception and expectation of value/price for a particular product range, especially if the product is only sold by a limited number of retailers and they have some sort of informal collusion on pricing. The consuming public then forms an expectation on what a price should be via comparison of the colluded prices.


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  # 1801956 16-Jun-2017 10:13
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KiwiTim:

 

 

 

I would love to know how different the US Yamaha AV receivers are when compared to same or similar models selling here. I'd be willing to take a punt that is just the transformer.

 

 

 

 

The AM/FM bands may be different to those in use here.

 

So far as the power supplies go I wouldn't be surprised to see that these are 110-220 volt and 50-60 Hz.  More and more stuff these days is multi voltage, the only difference being the type of plug that goes into the wall socket. In these cases the cord has a universal plug at the device end and it's very easy to source a cord with the correct wall fitting.

 

 





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  # 1801968 16-Jun-2017 10:22
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Technofreak:

 

KiwiTim:

 

 

 

I would love to know how different the US Yamaha AV receivers are when compared to same or similar models selling here. I'd be willing to take a punt that is just the transformer.

 

 

 

 

The AM/FM bands may be different to those in use here.

 

So far as the power supplies go I wouldn't be surprised to see that these are 110-220 volt and 50-60 Hz.  More and more stuff these days is multi voltage, the only difference being the type of plug that goes into the wall socket. In these cases the cord has a universal plug at the device end and it's very easy to source a cord with the correct wall fitting.

 

 

 

 

I was hoping for dual voltage, but if you search the questions on Amazon for a particular AV receiver sold in the USA, invariably someone from outside the US asks about voltage, and the response is  "US Voltage only", including for this device. I also looked at pictures of the rear of the product and there does not seem to be a voltage switch or notice saying dual voltage supported.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1801984 16-Jun-2017 10:44
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kiwitim, I haven't spent a lot of time on this but it seems that Yamaha do produce amplifiers with voltage switches and available from the US. Here's a link - not the model you're after but could be worth doing a bit of research

 

http://www.world-import.com/yamaha-rx-v579d-av-receiver.htm#sthash.T4xaOWXF.dpbs

 

Also, 'what the market will bear" is another way of saying "price gouging"




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  # 1801998 16-Jun-2017 10:56
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traderstu:

 

Here you go

 

http://www.world-import.com/yamaha-rx-v681-220-240-volt-50-hz-audio-video-receiver.htm#sthash.zH20LVZt.dpbs

 

 

I have to say "Nice one Stu". You will know what I mean if you were a child in NZ in the 1970s.

 

Have you purchased from these folks?

 

Thanks,

 

Tim


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  # 1802007 16-Jun-2017 11:10
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No, I don't know them Tim - just using them as an example to show that the 240v models are available ex US. But on the face of it there isn't anything to suggest they're not legit. Do your own homework wink


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  # 1802032 16-Jun-2017 11:29
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If you're keen to proceed with this then bring one in from the UK. Correct voltage, only need to change the plug and comparable prices to the US (sometimes better!).

 

https://www.richersounds.com/product/av-receivers/yamaha/rxv681/yama-rxv681-blk

 

 


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  # 1802081 16-Jun-2017 12:01
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Also, 'what the market will bear" is another way of saying "price gouging"

 

 

 

 

The NZ market typically as a whole can represent just one stores turnover in the USA. We are a rounding error in most vendors books.

 

So NZ distributors are often buying at the same rate a US retailer is buying at.

 

It's not so much price gouging as vendors don't see huge value in our market, + we have certain overheads the US doesn't. 


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  # 1802092 16-Jun-2017 12:34
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Will be interesting to see what Amazon AUs pricing will be on this sort of stuff..





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  # 1802094 16-Jun-2017 12:39
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AV receivers have probably the worst NZ markup of any electronic gear I've come across. I suspect their size and bulkiness, plus the voltage issues you mention, are chiefly responsible. That's both in legitimate added expenses for NZ retailers, who have to import the things in the first place, but also in artificially reduced competition (it's even more expensive for an individual consumer to privately import one than it is for a retailer). That means sellers of RAM, CPUs and SSDs in NZ have had to try to match the "Amazon price" or quickly go out of business, while sellers of AV gear have been relatively insulated from this effect.

 

I looked at importing a receiver from the UK but found after shipping and GST, the cost was creeping close enough to the cost of an NZ unit that it wasn't worth giving up a local warranty.


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