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Topic # 225769 5-Dec-2017 08:46
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I bought a Marantz SR5008 receiver a few years ago and thought I was future proofed as it had '4K Passthrough'.  However, as things have worked out, it now won't actually passthrough all the HDR good stuff.  So I've managed to unload it on TradeMe at a decent price and I can get a SR5011 for less than $1,000, as it's already last year's model (SR5012 now available).

 

So I can relatively cheaply upgrade to an equivalent receiver as my old one, but with Dolby Vision, HLG and HDR10 passthrough all supported.  Seems like a good result.  

 

However, I'm now wondering, could this one be obsolete in another few years as well?  I know you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere, otherwise you'll never actually buy any technology, but I don't want to be caught so quickly again if I can help it.  Are Dolby Vision, HLG and HDR10 going to cover my bases for 4K HDR viewing for a decent amount of time?  Or is there something else coming down the pipes, even as we speak?


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  Reply # 1913082 5-Dec-2017 09:18
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No such thing at future proof!

 

The specs have just been announced with great fanfare for HDMI 2.1

 

https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/28/hdmi-2-1-specification-is-now-available-with-10k/

 

That will push HDMI way past 4K but also supports some funky stuff like dynamic HDR, Variable Refresh Rate, eARC and Quick Media Switching.

 

The only problem is that it's going to take a good eighteen months to start turning up in new kit.

 

And as always, you'll be needing a new display and new sources as well. 


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  Reply # 1913088 5-Dec-2017 09:24
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I don't think such a thing as a future proofed technology exists, as your previous exercise with a 4k passthru receiver demonstrated.

 

There's always going to be new features, or features that were supposed to be the next big thing (does anyone remember 3d?) that will change the direction of future hardware.

 

 





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  Reply # 1913098 5-Dec-2017 09:30
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As others have pointed out, future proofing doesn't really exist. Buy the best you can afford with what you know your requirements are now and potentially be in the future. IE If you think a 4K TV is in your future, get good quality 4K Support. 

 

Technology changes, faster and faster. Standards are created and abandoned almost as quickly.

 

My policy has always been to either buy flagship, or more commonly, 1 level below that to avoid the premium for technologies that haven't been implemented or tested properly yet. 

 

I really rate the Yamaha amps, the 2060 was my last purchase. I Always bought 3xxx series before, but the main differences didn't warrant a $800 difference, including more sound output.

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1913122 5-Dec-2017 09:54
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networkn:

 

As others have pointed out, future proofing doesn't really exist. Buy the best you can afford with what you know your requirements are now and potentially be in the future. IE If you think a 4K TV is in your future, get good quality 4K Support. 

 

 

Yeah, I guess "future proof" was the wrong choice of words.  I know that's not possible and as I said, you have to draw a line in the sand and buy something at some point.  But, yes you're right, about needing to know your requirements.  

 

So, our requirements are, we plan to upgrade to a 4K HDR (probably OLED) telly in the New Year.  Therefore, without second guessing coming technology for years ahead, I want to make sure I make the right receiver decision for these requirements.  Or more specifically, given my 4K HDR requirement, is there anything we already know is coming in the next 6 months, that would mean I don't buy a receiver now?


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  Reply # 1913131 5-Dec-2017 10:03
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Earbanean:

 

networkn:

 

As others have pointed out, future proofing doesn't really exist. Buy the best you can afford with what you know your requirements are now and potentially be in the future. IE If you think a 4K TV is in your future, get good quality 4K Support. 

 

 

Yeah, I guess "future proof" was the wrong choice of words.  I know that's not possible and as I said, you have to draw a line in the sand and buy something at some point.  But, yes you're right, about needing to know your requirements.  

 

So, our requirements are, we plan to upgrade to a 4K HDR (probably OLED) telly in the New Year.  Therefore, without second guessing coming technology for years ahead, I want to make sure I make the right receiver decision for these requirements.  Or more specifically, given my 4K HDR requirement, is there anything we already know is coming in the next 6 months, that would mean I don't buy a receiver now?

 

 

I guess just make sure the hdmi standard the receiver is using it high enough for 4k...and includes the increased colour space that's supposed to come with 4k and any new sound standards.





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  Reply # 1913135 5-Dec-2017 10:05
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It's going to also depend on your budget, $1000 doesn't seem a lot for the features you want, but I am not aware of your speakers or if you want more power for more speakers. 

 

The receiver is the center of everything. If it underperforms so will your entire system, potentially.

 

 




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  Reply # 1913144 5-Dec-2017 10:18
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networkn:

 

It's going to also depend on your budget, $1000 doesn't seem a lot for the features you want, but I am not aware of your speakers or if you want more power for more speakers. 

 

 

The Marantz SR5011 has rrp of $1,700, but you can get it at $999 from AV World, because it's the 2016 model and the SR5012 has already been released.  It has HDR10 support built in and HLG and Dolby Vision by firmware upgrade.  It's a 7.2 100W amp, same as my old SR5008, so works well for my movie and stereo needs.  

 

So unless I'm missing something, it does what I want for less than a grand.  Also, I sold the SR5008 for $550, so it's just a $450 upgrade to get fully 4K compatible - and they may be negotiable on the $999.  I just want to make sure that I'm not missing something. 


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  Reply # 1913150 5-Dec-2017 10:26
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Earbanean:

 

networkn:

 

It's going to also depend on your budget, $1000 doesn't seem a lot for the features you want, but I am not aware of your speakers or if you want more power for more speakers. 

 

 

The Marantz SR5011 has rrp of $1,700, but you can get it at $999 from AV World, because it's the 2016 model and the SR5012 has already been released.  It has HDR10 support built in and HLG and Dolby Vision by firmware upgrade.  It's a 7.2 100W amp, same as my old SR5008, so works well for my movie and stereo needs.  

 

So unless I'm missing something, it does what I want for less than a grand.  Also, I sold the SR5008 for $550, so it's just a $450 upgrade to get fully 4K compatible - and they may be negotiable on the $999.  I just want to make sure that I'm not missing something. 

 

 

That's a good price at $999. I used to have Marantz amps but switched to Pioneer LX series and then to Yamaha Aventage. Yamaha has the sound signature I prefer, plus their firmware updates and support have been pretty good over the years. There is local presence in NZ via distribution.

 

I am wary of stuff that says it's upgradeable with firmware versions, sometimes the implementation isn't 100%. I know a few people who got stung on Blu-ray players (Sony).

 

I'd buy something that has the features you want to implement today and consider anything promised as a firmware update in the future as "bonus" if it works out. 

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1913154 5-Dec-2017 10:32
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networkn:

 

I'd buy something that has the features you want to implement today and consider anything promised as a firmware update in the future as "bonus" if it works out. 

 

 

I'm pretty sure the firmware upgrade has already been released, but will check that.  It's a little bit harder to check with Marantz, as you need your unit's serial number to go through to the applicable firmware updates.  But won't be too big a hassle to confirm.




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  Reply # 1913198 5-Dec-2017 10:51
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Yep, according to Marantz website, that firmware has already been released.

 

 


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  Reply # 1913490 5-Dec-2017 19:47
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All the big players in the AV world are sitting at the same point re: HDMI / 4K tech specs.

 

Some have implemented Dolby Vision, some manufacturers updates are imminent - it's dependent on how happy they are with their testing.

 

I'd make sure there's enough HDCP 2.2 HDMI ports on the back of the receiver and pull the trigger on the receiver you want.




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  Reply # 1913684 6-Dec-2017 08:18
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Dunnersfella:

 

All the big players in the AV world are sitting at the same point re: HDMI / 4K tech specs.

 

Some have implemented Dolby Vision, some manufacturers updates are imminent - it's dependent on how happy they are with their testing.

 

I'd make sure there's enough HDCP 2.2 HDMI ports on the back of the receiver and pull the trigger on the receiver you want.

 

 

Yep, what I'm looking at has 8 HDMI in & 2 HDMI out all with HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 and passing HDR10, HLG and Dolby Vision - so I think that'll do.  It doesn't seem like there's anything major missing that's known about at this stage for what I'll want, which is what I wanted to check.  Note, it has tons of sound formats, but we'll just use a basic 5.1 surround for the foreseeable future, so that's not really an issue.




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  Reply # 1916455 11-Dec-2017 10:29
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Earbanean:

 

The Marantz SR5011 has rrp of $1,700, but you can get it at $999 from AV World, because it's the 2016 model and the SR5012 has already been released.  It has HDR10 support built in and HLG and Dolby Vision by firmware upgrade.  It's a 7.2 100W amp, same as my old SR5008, so works well for my movie and stereo needs. 

 

 

As a postscript to this, I went into AV World to get last year's model (SR5011) at $999, but what they actually had, was the latest model (SR5012) at $999.  Basically,they're heavily discounting the SR5012 - but due to their agreement with the distributor, they're not allowed to advertise that they're doing that.  So all the latest specs, sub $1000.  


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  Reply # 1916465 11-Dec-2017 10:39
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That's an exceptional deal. Good result. Enjoy. 

 

 


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