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bignose
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  #2043157 24-Jun-2018 16:02
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one thing that just occurred to me - where are the amps/source components going - you putting them in a rack somewhere else? It’s just that if you aren’t doing that the most likely position for them would be pretty much exactly where the in-wall sub is going...

 
 
 

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  #2043166 24-Jun-2018 16:28
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bignose: one thing that just occurred to me - where are the amps/source components going - you putting them in a rack somewhere else? It’s just that if you aren’t doing that the most likely position for them would be pretty much exactly where the in-wall sub is going...

 

 

 

I will be putting a networking & A/V rack into the cupboard adjacent to the lounge - pretty much every TV, speaker, ethernet cable will run back to here.

 

 

 


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  #2043254 24-Jun-2018 19:15
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My AV rack is in a cupboard. With door access from the front, it was a pita to change cabling on the back of the equipment. In the end I put the rack on wheels so I can pull the whole lot out to work round the back. Maybe something to think about when you are setting everything up. Might not be necessary for you but I am an inveterate tinkerer, constantly rearranging and adding things.
And a long HDMI will be required to go to the TV.




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  #2043283 24-Jun-2018 20:07
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Dingbatt: And a long HDMI will be required to go to the TV.

 

 

 

Yes I am aware. Should be no problem but I do have about a 15-20m run to do to the master bedroom and I've seen a lot of talk about HDMI cables losing signal quality when they get near this length. I was thinking of using 10m cables with a HDMI repeater/equalizer in the middle. The other option is to run CAT6 cable and use an extender kit but then I'd want it 4k capable for future-proofing, then you're starting to look at things like HDBaseT which gets expensive quickly.


bignose
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  #2043300 24-Jun-2018 21:20
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bigfulla213: The other option is to run CAT6 cable and use an extender kit but then I'd want it 4k capable for future-proofing, then you're starting to look at things like HDBaseT which gets expensive quickly.



Are there converters that can run 4k/60hz/dv over cat6? Would have thought the bandwidth requirements would have been too high (since it's higher than 10gbe)

If you really want to be future proof pull thru fibre when you run the hdmi - and pray you never need to use it

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  #2043719 25-Jun-2018 18:25
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As Danose says, Cat 6 is restricted bandwidth-wise, consequently so is HDBaseT.

 

If you want 18GB, then you'll need to run a fibre based HDMI cable... they do run copper alongside the fibre to allow for (among other things) the ARC / CEC components involved. They're pretty cool and typically feature a USB port at one end so you can add a 5volt power supply to boos the voltage if it drops.

 

Would I run it instead of Cat cable?

 

Actually, yet.

 

HDBaseT relies on careful termination, more wall warts and electronics that can potentially fail.

 

It can work well, but ultimately most failures I've seen have been down to poor cable termination.

 

Whereas a passive fibre based HDMI cable is likely to keep doing its job with less to go wrong.

 

To be safe, run both... the Cat 6 costs next to nothing.

 

 

 

Oh yeah, it should be noted that at this point UHD Blu-ray movies do not utilise the full capabilities of the HDMI 2.0 spec (18GB)... but it's nice to be 'future proof'.

 

 

 

Also, 'future proof' is one of the biggest jokes in the electronic industry.


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  #2043763 25-Jun-2018 19:41
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Personally I’d go out of my way to avoid the need for HDMI converters at all.

Ideally keep your sauces close to the receiver, so you don’t need fancy interconnects in the first place.



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  #2043825 25-Jun-2018 21:47
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Jaxson: Personally I’d go out of my way to avoid the need for HDMI converters at all.

Ideally keep your sauces close to the receiver, so you don’t need fancy interconnects in the first place.

 

 

 

I keep my sauces in the fridge, I like them to be quite handy to the other condiments.

 

Sorry... couldn't resist ;-)


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  #2043840 25-Jun-2018 22:21
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Dunnersfella:

Jaxson: Personally I’d go out of my way to avoid the need for HDMI converters at all.

Ideally keep your sauces close to the receiver, so you don’t need fancy interconnects in the first place.


 


I keep my sauces in the fridge, I like them to be quite handy to the other condiments.


Sorry... couldn't resist ;-)



Just as I can’t resist writing it that way in the first place 😉

Message is still true though. If you can place your devices to avoid large cable runs, you’ll have less points of potential failure.

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