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  Reply # 2201018 18-Mar-2019 19:10
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low res on 4K is better than low res on full HD screens. technology must have improved.





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  Reply # 2201019 18-Mar-2019 19:12
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No, most Sky channels still look like crap on any TV.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2201021 18-Mar-2019 19:19
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Batman:

 

low res on 4K is better than low res on full HD screens. technology must have improved.

 

 

or it could be my imagination, as I do not have my old full HD to compare directly





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  Reply # 2201025 18-Mar-2019 19:42
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Its not your imagination. Provided you pick a reputable brand and not from the bottom of the barrel price wise then today's TVs do a much better job of upscaling than older TVs. 


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  Reply # 2201038 18-Mar-2019 20:10
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those tv shops like to feed an optimised image to the screens and go all vague when you ask them about broadcast sources.





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  Reply # 2201080 18-Mar-2019 20:25
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The mpeg deblocking filters have got a lot better, which is what deals to skys lousy signal. Just makes them even blurrier than with it off IME, but the actual blocks are gone somewhat.





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  Reply # 2201101 18-Mar-2019 20:42
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kiwifidget:

 

And now my turn.

 

My TV is about to gasp its last. https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumId=34&topicId=248136

 

Its a 10-ish year old Sony Bravia KDL-46X4500 TV.

 

So it's been a while since i've had to deal with todays TV jargon.

 

I dont need a certain TV to be recommended to me, I can my decision once I know a few things.

 

I know what HD and FULL HD mean.

 

I'm not sure what QLED is or why those TV's are in their own category.

 

Are Ultra HD and 4K the same thing?

 

And what is HDR and is it important?

 

Has curved gone the way of 3D?

 

Is there anything else that I need to be aware of?

 

 

 

The other stuff that a new TV will have to play nicely with is:

 

MySky

 

Amazon FireTV (not sure what gen, has voice remote but no 4K support)

 

Onkyo TX-NR708 (5.1 speaker setup)

 

PS3 (stop laughing)

 

Old DVD player (you're still laughing)

 

Chromecasts

 

Whatever I buy for Sparksport, if anything.

 

Wired ethernet is in place via a basic switch.

 

 

 

Thanking everyone in advance.

 

 

Haha actually laughing at you laughing about the DVD player, Isn't that what the PS3 is for??

 

I've avoided the jargon for a decade too since I didn't want to be tempted into spending...
But I'd recommend you have a read through the sticky at the top of Home Theatre (incl HTPC) forum, it gave me a good summary (after I found it once my post had been put in the right place 😅 )




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  Reply # 2201148 18-Mar-2019 21:02
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Enjoying all the advice, it helps put the swathes of wider google info in context

 

Batman:

 

I have 2 entry level TVs with HDR. Can't complain. Looks a million times better than any other TV i've ever owned.

 

One is a 6000 series Samsung 50" LCD, one is a TCL 65" LCD, both are stunning. The samsung TV is not as connectable as the TCL with android OS, but the TCL's android software is rather buggy and requires manual program kill switch when background apps literally freeze the whole tv. But I've figured it out somewhat. For the price it is worth it to me. 

 

One advice - go big. as big as you can humanly fit into your space.

 

 

So seems like I'll be keen to stretch for HDR - Future proofing - (despite standards still trying to be standardised)

 

TCL is a new name to me... Seems to be cheaper, google tells me they are Chinese. Is the brand/overall quality good? (you are obviously happy with your picture quality)

 

Going big.. I'm encouraged and sort of think I'm inclined to again 'future proof' but surely there's a point where it is too big. My space is a nice big wall, but the room is narrow and the couch is under 2 metres from the TV wall


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  Reply # 2201154 18-Mar-2019 21:09
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Watching old stuff on a large TV is quite annoying because they framed things for small screens, so you end up with 700mm high faces that are all blurry on the screen. Not come across any TVs with a reverse zoom feature to deal with old content yet, always fullscreen which looks so dumb. But if you only watch movies and more modern things then go as big as you can fit.





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  Reply # 2201163 18-Mar-2019 21:20
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groynk:

 

Enjoying all the advice, it helps put the swathes of wider google info in context

 

Batman:

 

I have 2 entry level TVs with HDR. Can't complain. Looks a million times better than any other TV i've ever owned.

 

One is a 6000 series Samsung 50" LCD, one is a TCL 65" LCD, both are stunning. The samsung TV is not as connectable as the TCL with android OS, but the TCL's android software is rather buggy and requires manual program kill switch when background apps literally freeze the whole tv. But I've figured it out somewhat. For the price it is worth it to me. 

 

One advice - go big. as big as you can humanly fit into your space.

 

 

So seems like I'll be keen to stretch for HDR - Future proofing - (despite standards still trying to be standardised)

 

TCL is a new name to me... Seems to be cheaper, google tells me they are Chinese. Is the brand/overall quality good? (you are obviously happy with your picture quality)

 

Going big.. I'm encouraged and sort of think I'm inclined to again 'future proof' but surely there's a point where it is too big. My space is a nice big wall, but the room is narrow and the couch is under 2 metres from the TV wall

 

 

ymmv. but other branded brands have become so cheap, the TCL isn't cheaper by much anymore (when I bought it it was much cheaper than everything else)

 





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  Reply # 2201188 18-Mar-2019 21:36
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@groynk the DVD player is because the PS3 is region locked.

 

A moot point since I have mkv'd all my DVD's anyway.

 

I am appreciating all the advice thank you.

 

I did google, but I got bogged down in a lot of excessive technical mumbo jumbo real quick.

 

Thanks, I will check out the sticky.





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  Reply # 2201234 18-Mar-2019 22:26
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Next question, 

 

I'd love a good UI or open and flexible google tv OS with a nice airmouse/slick remote, but it also scares me that it might ruin my harmony remote that rules it all experience.

 

Anyone have advice from their experience of a new TV entering their Harmony setup?


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  Reply # 2201379 19-Mar-2019 09:32
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kiwifidget:

 

I know if i input a low res device on the Sony it looks awful.

 

 

May be late to the party on this one, but my personal experience is that the Sony TVs of a few years ago had the worst upscaling (if you can call it that) of SD pictures to 'full HD" I've seen.

 

My in-laws bought a 55" Sony HD TV about six-seven years ago, and I found the SD picture quality beyond bad - the same content on my (larger) Panasonic plasma was totally watchable whereas I'd avoid watching theirs.

 

I'm mentioning this to point out that that, while upscaling doesn't usually ever produce an amazing image, some brands were way worse than others; it's not a surprise to hear you weren't impressed with your Sony in this regard.

 

I'd be interested to know what proportion of content shown on the average 4K TV is actually original 4K content as opposed to upscaled full HD (if not worse!) - as such, they better do an acceptable job of upscaling!


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  Reply # 2201493 19-Mar-2019 11:21
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IMO full HD looks better on my 4K tv 





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  Reply # 2205073 26-Mar-2019 12:50
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sorry jumping in on this thread but mos thigh end 4k TV sets now support both HDR and HDR10+.... what are peoples thoughts on support for Dolby Vision (which occurs on the OLEDS) but not necessarily on the LCD LED suite.. 

 

 

 

The info i seem to have come across suggests that DV is going to be available via firmware upgrade but is it worth it ? or do you simply opt for the HDR10+ support ? 

 

 

 

My take on it is that i think that if the processor can handle HDR10+ then its probably able to handle DV assuming the TV make will firmware upgrade it? 

 

 

 

am i right ?? or completely off the mark...:)


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