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DS9

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Reply # 158643 21-Aug-2008 12:57

Hi,

Just my 5 cents, Sky UK broadcast their channels 1080i. So if Sky UK are recording using 720p we would never get it anyway as the International pick-ups will only be 1080i from their broadcast centre.

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Reply # 158648 21-Aug-2008 13:08

DS9:
Hi,

Just my 5 cents, Sky UK broadcast their channels 1080i. So if Sky UK are recording using 720p we would never get it anyway as the International pick-ups will only be 1080i from their broadcast centre.

Ah yes, looks like it is native 1080i so that makes more sense . Sky Sports UK

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Reply # 158659 21-Aug-2008 13:38

Well aside from all of the different broadcast formats and resolutions available I have had 3 different Full HD TV's in the last year including a 37" Philips, 42 Philips and now have a 40 Sony W series

Watching blu-ray movies 1080p, 720p video, Freeview HD, and SD. I can say that each TV is very different in what it displays on the screen. My initial 37" Philips was great at SD and HD, not so good with blacks and it's picture processing was noticable at times (dark shots in films flipped to light a bit like a photo frame transition).

The Philips 42 was great at HD, processing was not noticable, dark shots were dark. but SD was terrible. Even taking the extra 5" screen size into account the SD could have been a lot better.

The Sony 40" is great at HD, but I have noticed some objects not in focus do seem to contain a lot of little black speckles. Very odd. but still I can live with it. SD is ok, better than 42" Philips.

Taking all of that into account I find the HD TV shows broadcast on TV like Rove, NCIS (dodgy skin colours), CSI, Pushing Daisies, Ugly Betty, Freeview HD Test channel all look a hell of a lot better than SD programs. Not taking 5.1 sound into account either.

I think if you are not noticing a difference in the quality between SD and HD be it TV, DVD etc, then your TV is probably not very good, speaking from the range of faults and problems I have seen with 3 different TV's, or you have it setup wrong.

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Reply # 158674 21-Aug-2008 13:58

I agree.

I have a full HD LCD (Samsung) and a 720P Plasma (Panny) -and on balance (comparing differnt types of content) the Plasma has hands-down the best picture.

Where the LCD shows what could almost be called macro-blocking / speckles (with certain types of input) the Plasma shows smooth/even colour transitions, that are also much more lifelike.

Theer is just a sense of depth to the Plasma that the LCD just doesn't have -I just can't quite put it into words..

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Reply # 158757 21-Aug-2008 17:37

motogpnz:
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NCIS is shot on 35 mm film, so the idea of using SD or HD digital video cameras is erroneous. The film is telecined into 1080p24 etc. No major US programs are shot with video cameras. Video cameras are generally only used for news and studio based shows, e.g., Ellen in 4:3 SD or Rove 16:9 HD (not US but proves my point).

That explains a lot. Surely programmes shot in native 1080 HD will be better than film. Haven't seen a movie or US drama yet that matches Rove or the cricket for image sharpness.

Not necessarily. 35mm film has way better resolution that 1080p. It depends on how they are scanning the film to get a digital ready version. I recall reading somewhere that they are taking all the old 007 movies and rescanning them for HD output. They are scanning 4K which they think is good enough to get all the resolution off the negatives and the results apparently are outstanding.

Don't confuse the unnatural sharpness of direct to video versus film.

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Reply # 158758 21-Aug-2008 17:40

Not necessarily. 35mm film has way better resolution that 1080p

This little chestnut on the end of that statement gets mentioned quite often but is missleading. A 1080p24 image has no more resolution than a 1080i image of the same film source.

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Reply # 158763 21-Aug-2008 17:52

cyril7:
Not necessarily. 35mm film has way better resolution that 1080p

This little chestnut on the end of that statement gets mentioned quite often but is missleading. A 1080p24 image has no more resolution than a 1080i image of the same film source.

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Agreed since the only difference between 1080i and 1080p is the delivery of the lines, from what I understand.

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Reply # 158766 21-Aug-2008 17:57

correct and with film the frame stops in the gate, first field is constructed, then secound of the very same frame, both in the same instance of time. On replay a digital display has to deinterlace as its a progressive device, assuming it detects a film source (most manufactures seem to have this sorted these days) then a simple weave deinterlace puts the two half fields in to a single frame. This results in the identical situation to a 1080p24 one.

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Reply # 159101 23-Aug-2008 03:43

I have noticed no difference in freeview HD and Sky for TV 3.

Can someone confirm that Home and Away runs in HD? There is no HD sign before it starts.

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Reply # 159135 23-Aug-2008 11:30

DarkKnight08: I have noticed no difference in freeview HD and Sky for TV 3.

Can someone confirm that Home and Away runs in HD? There is no HD sign before it starts.

SD I believe. I seem to remember a week or two ago a coment from Mediaworks that they couldn't get it in HD currently.

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Reply # 159272 24-Aug-2008 11:13

I only have a 32" LCD but I have found the picture on TV3 and HD sports broadcasts a big improvement. When watching UK football I noticed how clear the background image is, you can see the spectators . Even the upscaled SD broadcasts seem to be clearer.

As Cyril says, it's not just resolution. I had to turn down the colour/brightness/sharpness for the STB setting on my Samsung telly, made the picture much more watchable.

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Reply # 159447 25-Aug-2008 01:14

If anyone wants to see stunning HD from mysky, watch Sunshine on Sky Movies.

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