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#2608292 22-Nov-2020 09:08

GV27:

I wonder if we'll see this generation of specs hang around for a little while longer, given manufacturers haven't been able to get a return on their investment this year. We might see an up-ending of the launch Feb/Supply mid-year cycle.

To be honest, there hasn't really been much innovation in consumer space TVs for the last couple of generations. While cool stuff is always happening in the R & D space, mass market panel tech is pretty stagnant at the mo, so I can see 2021 TVs being just another model number update, with maybe a few more jumping on the HDMI 2.1 (and what a clusterf*** the implementation has been thus far) and 8K (a solution for a problem that doesn't exist, 'cept maybe if your wallet is weighing you down) bandwagons.

OLED panels have been more iterative improvements around pixel wear and picture processing stuff like BFI. While some manufacturers have been playing around with different LCD backlight designs (miniLED, dualLED), nothing has really taken flight since the money is increasingly in self-emissive designs.

With both LG Display and Samsung Display dropping LCD panel lines in favor of OLED and QD-OLED respectively, we should see more extensive OLED ranges from more manufacturers starting to appear in the next couple of years. And then with other manufacturers like JOLED and CSOT ramping up mass production with their inkjet printed RGB panels over the next 3 years, there should be more competition hopefully.

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#2609950 24-Nov-2020 19:10

It's getting hard to see where the next meaningful upgrade will come from, OLED quality has hardly shifted and 8K content seems a long way off being anything close to mainstream. I've got the WX and I said to my missus the other day that 10 year old me (~30 years ago) would never have believed I'd ever have a TV that was 5mm thick, 65" big and stuck to the wall with magnets, the technology available at a consumer level now is really quite extraordinary.

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#2609951 24-Nov-2020 19:10

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#2610899 26-Nov-2020 08:18

75" X90H is $3,999 at Noel Leeming and an extra 10% off through TheMarket.

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#2610943 26-Nov-2020 09:18

ricky1981:

It's getting hard to see where the next meaningful upgrade will come from, OLED quality has hardly shifted and 8K content seems a long way off being anything close to mainstream. I've got the WX and I said to my missus the other day that 10 year old me (~30 years ago) would never have believed I'd ever have a TV that was 5mm thick, 65" big and stuck to the wall with magnets, the technology available at a consumer level now is really quite extraordinary.

Until other forms of self-emissive pixel tech come to market, I think the best we can hope for is further incremental refinements (increased brightness, color space) and reduced costs of OLED.

LCD/LED is being relegated to the cheaper end, and LG's OLED panels have hit a bit of a wall as far as picture quality goes. Samsung's QD-OLED could be promising, but has failed to deliver a decent working prototype so far. BOE's AMQLED also looks promising, but no mention of how bright it can get.

There was hope that LG's 10.5g plant would come online in the next couple of years and bring down the production cost of big panels (75"+), but it seems like COVID-19 has delayed that a bit. In saying that, their newest 8.5g plant is apparently in mass production mode and can efficiently deliver 48" and 75" panels, so that may help deliver more on each end of the size range.

Changing tracks, I see a few OEMs (Optoma, Samsung, Epson) have recently released Ultra Short Throw "TVs", which could fall at a nice point of good picture quality and bigger size. If they could bring the cost down a bit, it could be a decent competitor to conventional TVs.

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#2610947 26-Nov-2020 09:23

GV27:

75" X90H is $3,999 at Noel Leeming and an extra 10% off through TheMarket.

Buying a TV through TheMarket seems like a bad idea to me.
They don't take refunds at their collection points for items over $400 so if anything goes wrong the only way to return it is paying postage (again).
I hear TheMarket mentioned a lot on Geekzone - is it just because of prices?

That same TV is $3,788 through Healthcotes although the other "brick n mortar" shops should match any price these days.

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#2610957 26-Nov-2020 09:40

ShinyChrome:

ricky1981:

It's getting hard to see where the next meaningful upgrade will come from, OLED quality has hardly shifted and 8K content seems a long way off being anything close to mainstream. I've got the WX and I said to my missus the other day that 10 year old me (~30 years ago) would never have believed I'd ever have a TV that was 5mm thick, 65" big and stuck to the wall with magnets, the technology available at a consumer level now is really quite extraordinary.

Until other forms of self-emissive pixel tech come to market, I think the best we can hope for is further incremental refinements (increased brightness, color space) and reduced costs of OLED.

LCD/LED is being relegated to the cheaper end, and LG's OLED panels have hit a bit of a wall as far as picture quality goes. Samsung's QD-OLED could be promising, but has failed to deliver a decent working prototype so far. BOE's AMQLED also looks promising, but no mention of how bright it can get.

There was hope that LG's 10.5g plant would come online in the next couple of years and bring down the production cost of big panels (75"+), but it seems like COVID-19 has delayed that a bit. In saying that, their newest 8.5g plant is apparently in mass production mode and can efficiently deliver 48" and 75" panels, so that may help deliver more on each end of the size range.

Changing tracks, I see a few OEMs (Optoma, Samsung, Epson) have recently released Ultra Short Throw "TVs", which could fall at a nice point of good picture quality and bigger size. If they could bring the cost down a bit, it could be a decent competitor to conventional TVs.

Honestly from a PQ point of view the quality of modern OLED panels is amazing especially when the price currently 65" circa $3k-5k and 55" sub that, its an incredible TV for that money. Some people maybe happy with QLED or LED but once you watch an OLED you'll never accept anything less.

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#2610968 26-Nov-2020 10:10

jasonbug:

GV27:

75" X90H is $3,999 at Noel Leeming and an extra 10% off through TheMarket.

Buying a TV through TheMarket seems like a bad idea to me.
They don't take refunds at their collection points for items over $400 so if anything goes wrong the only way to return it is paying postage (again).
I hear TheMarket mentioned a lot on Geekzone - is it just because of prices?

That same TV is $3,788 through Healthcotes although the other "brick n mortar" shops should match any price these days.

I've also just had a look at JB in Aus and they have it priced below $3K for a sale event so I'm even less enthusiastic now.

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#2611128 26-Nov-2020 13:15

Got a bit of a OLED tossup which I'd be keen to get somebody's input on.

I've been looking at picking up an OLED TV, and have narrowed it down to either the LG CX or the Sony A8H 55'. I mainly use this TV for Gaming, and I did pick up the Series X when it launched.

Given that the LG has been out of stock for ages - I put my name down for one at NL, for $3499 last week, as they expect to see some very limited stock next week (potentially). They think they'll have a unit for me next week.

For Black Friday however, the A8H is down to $2999, or even less at $2789 via the Market. The $700 extra does feel like a lot for the LG display, but it supports VRR and 120hz, both features that the Series X will definitely take advantage of. (The CX is $3388 but would almost definitely not get this before the end of the year if I canned my existing order for it)

What do people reckon I should do here?

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#2611134 26-Nov-2020 13:45

Djinkster:

Got a bit of a OLED tossup which I'd be keen to get somebody's input on.

I've been looking at picking up an OLED TV, and have narrowed it down to either the LG CX or the Sony A8H 55'. I mainly use this TV for Gaming, and I did pick up the Series X when it launched.

Given that the LG has been out of stock for ages - I put my name down for one at NL, for $3499 last week, as they expect to see some very limited stock next week (potentially). They think they'll have a unit for me next week.

For Black Friday however, the A8H is down to $2999, or even less at $2789 via the Market. The $700 extra does feel like a lot for the LG display, but it supports VRR and 120hz, both features that the Series X will definitely take advantage of. (The CX is $3388 but would almost definitely not get this before the end of the year if I canned my existing order for it)

What do people reckon I should do here?

That is a tough one, since they are pretty much neck-and-neck for performance and I looooooove saving money, but since you mainly use it for gaming, I'd still pay the extra for the CX.

While HDMI 2.1 rollout has been rife with misinformation, LG TVs have so far been one of the better supported implementations, and yeah, there is the question around how many games the PS5/XSX will actually be able to drive to realize the extra bandwidth, there is still a lot of improvement that could happen in the 5-10 years life that you can reasonably expect from this TV. Even now, some games could probably hit consistent 90-100fps, which would still be a decent improvement. VRR on the other hand, can work anywhere in between 40-120fps on the CX, but relies on the game supporting it I believe.

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#2611160 26-Nov-2020 13:54

ShinyChrome:

Djinkster:

Got a bit of a OLED tossup which I'd be keen to get somebody's input on.

I've been looking at picking up an OLED TV, and have narrowed it down to either the LG CX or the Sony A8H 55'. I mainly use this TV for Gaming, and I did pick up the Series X when it launched.

Given that the LG has been out of stock for ages - I put my name down for one at NL, for $3499 last week, as they expect to see some very limited stock next week (potentially). They think they'll have a unit for me next week.

For Black Friday however, the A8H is down to $2999, or even less at $2789 via the Market. The $700 extra does feel like a lot for the LG display, but it supports VRR and 120hz, both features that the Series X will definitely take advantage of. (The CX is $3388 but would almost definitely not get this before the end of the year if I canned my existing order for it)

What do people reckon I should do here?

That is a tough one, since they are pretty much neck-and-neck for performance and I looooooove saving money, but since you mainly use it for gaming, I'd still pay the extra for the CX.

While HDMI 2.1 rollout has been rife with misinformation, LG TVs have so far been one of the better supported implementations, and yeah, there is the question around how many games the PS5/XSX will actually be able to drive to realize the extra bandwidth, there is still a lot of improvement that could happen in the 5-10 years life that you can reasonably expect from this TV. Even now, some games could probably hit consistent 90-100fps, which would still be a decent improvement. VRR on the other hand, can work anywhere in between 40-120fps on the CX, but relies on the game supporting it I believe.

Yeah - The $700 is a killer, and the stock shortages I assume are the only reason we haven't seen the CX drop to the low 3k/high 2k prices like the C9 last year. XSX supports VRR, not sure if games have to support it or if it's a system based feature.

Either way, it's an upgrade from the X900F i have currently.

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#2611177 26-Nov-2020 14:14

Djinkster:

Yeah - The $700 is a killer, and the stock shortages I assume are the only reason we haven't seen the CX drop to the low 3k/high 2k prices like the C9 last year. XSX supports VRR, not sure if games have to support it or if it's a system based feature.

Either way, it's an upgrade from the X900F i have currently.

Fair call, and that $700 could go along way to other things. It also depends on how soon you want to buy as well, since they are probably going to have the same specials for Boxing Day, but they may have more stock by then.

Tbh the 65" Panasonic HZ1000 could be the better upgrade pick than the CX, as it comes down to $3433.20 after $4148 - 10% discount and $300 cashback

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#2611207 26-Nov-2020 15:19

ShinyChrome:

Djinkster:

Yeah - The $700 is a killer, and the stock shortages I assume are the only reason we haven't seen the CX drop to the low 3k/high 2k prices like the C9 last year. XSX supports VRR, not sure if games have to support it or if it's a system based feature.

Either way, it's an upgrade from the X900F i have currently.

Fair call, and that $700 could go along way to other things. It also depends on how soon you want to buy as well, since they are probably going to have the same specials for Boxing Day, but they may have more stock by then.

Tbh the 65" Panasonic HZ1000 could be the better upgrade pick than the CX, as it comes down to $3433.20 after $4148 - 10% discount and $300 cashback

Only thing with the Panasonic is the lack of in-depth reviews compared to other models given it's a bit more region specific in availability. One of the few reviews i could find suggests it also doesn't support 4k120 (HDMI 2.1)

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#2611277 26-Nov-2020 15:55

Djinkster:

Only thing with the Panasonic is the lack of in-depth reviews compared to other models given it's a bit more region specific in availability. One of the few reviews i could find suggests it also doesn't support 4k120 (HDMI 2.1)

While the PQ is roughly similar in all current OLED models due to them all using the same LG panel, Panasonic is considered to have some of the best picture processing around, as well as being one of the few OEMs supporting both Dolby Vision and HDR10+. Several members here own last years model (GZ1000) and love it. Build quality should be the same as any other Japanese OEM. FlatpanelsHD has a review of the GZ2000 for a general feel of Panasonic OLEDs, but that is a premium model with a customized OLED panel so rates higher than the standard GZ1000/1500.

Like the Sony, it only supports eARC, but no other HDMI 2.1 features. I'd personally take the 65" panel > 55" w/ HDMI 2.1 at the price though, but again, up to you if that is worth $700 over the 55" Sony AH8.

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#2611284 26-Nov-2020 16:29

I have the Panasonic GZ1000 and love it. I'll be buying a PS5 next year but the HDMI 2.1/120hz is all talk until I actually see something concrete to say games will run at that level. 4k/60 is going to be the standard for the next few years most likely. Later gen games for the PS5 may very well do 4k/120 but who knows how far away that will be?

Guess it depends how future proof you want to be...

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