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  #2471580 26-Apr-2020 13:38
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i suggest you watch your 65 from more than 3m away


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  #2471582 26-Apr-2020 13:43
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A lot of films have stylistic film grain. Just look at Snyder's stuff like BvS and 300. It works in some cases, doesn't in others. Looks more obvious in high resolution so I'm guessing contemporary directors have a big decision to make going forward.

 
 
 
 




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  #2471603 26-Apr-2020 14:25
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Geektastic:

 

Is it grain or noise?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One is physical and the other digital. You will often see on Netflix shows (for example) noise in dark scenes because they use cheaper cameras that have worse performance at the high ISO settings needed to shoot dark scenes. 

 

 

 

A movie with a big budget should not have that issue because they can afford top end cameras and operators. If shot on real film, it may have grain or grain may have been simulated for effect.

 



I'm not sure if it's grain or noise. Looks like noise but I think it's grain because - But it's not there on YouTube videos. Not there on cartoons. Not there on games. Weird.

 

And yes it probably looks like noise because of the motion smoothing that i think richms said - it makes sense. Anyway I have it on 3/10 because I get nauseated if it's 0/10 and movies look like video games when it's 10/10.

 

I'll play around with settings when the family is not around because I've been threatened with destruction of the settings button on the remote.





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  #2471606 26-Apr-2020 14:37
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bales:

 

i suggest you watch your 65 from more than 3m away

 

 

Rooms too small for that. And that means I may as well have bought a smaller screen.





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  #2472583 28-Apr-2020 09:43
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Geektastic:

 

Is it grain or noise?

 

One is physical and the other digital. You will often see on Netflix shows (for example) noise in dark scenes because they use cheaper cameras that have worse performance at the high ISO settings needed to shoot dark scenes. 

 

A movie with a big budget should not have that issue because they can afford top end cameras and operators. If shot on real film, it may have grain or grain may have been simulated for effect.

 

 

As well as possibly better cameras - they have bigger budgets for lighting and post-production etc.

 

Digital allows shooting at far higher ISO than was ever possible with film.  Higher frame rates mean that sensitivity is pushed even further.  More visible shot noise is an inescapable consequence of pushing ISO - the only thing that can be done to mitigate its effect is noise reduction.  High "Sharpness" setting on a TV exacerbates noise, heavy noise reduction makes things look plasticky / unnatural.

 

Noise on dark scenes on Netflix is exacerbated by video compression.


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  #2472870 28-Apr-2020 17:05
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What were the titles you were watching? Also what picture setting do you use. One of the Technicolour or ISF settings would be the go but it also depends on if you watch with Dolby Vision or just HDR10?. I have had no real issues re:grain on most movies especially those recorded on film...but there are the odd titles that i assume was down to the quality of the source and remaster. Superman the movie is very grainy and that is at the upper end of the grainy scale for 4K movies i have seen. At the other end of the scale we have movies like ET,Close Encounters,Bridge on the River Kwai or Bladerunner that look Amazing for their age.




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  #2472956 28-Apr-2020 18:39
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ARIKIP:

 

What were the titles you were watching? Also what picture setting do you use. One of the Technicolour or ISF settings would be the go but it also depends on if you watch with Dolby Vision or just HDR10?. I have had no real issues re:grain on most movies especially those recorded on film...but there are the odd titles that i assume was down to the quality of the source and remaster. Superman the movie is very grainy and that is at the upper end of the grainy scale for 4K movies i have seen. At the other end of the scale we have movies like ET,Close Encounters,Bridge on the River Kwai or Bladerunner that look Amazing for their age.

 

 

Jurassic World. Yes agree some are more grainy than others.





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  #2474944 1-May-2020 18:50
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I had a look at jurassic world and it is indeed grainy! Pretty grainy for such a modern film



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  #2474956 1-May-2020 19:25
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sm1ff: I had a look at jurassic world and it is indeed grainy! Pretty grainy for such a modern film

 

ok thanks :)





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