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Hinko: I am not.
I blame the manufacturers for:What has that got to do with content providers?
- giving consumers incorrect information and indeed
- for simply not fully or adequately informing consumers.
Does the consumer have a right to not be misled and a right to be properly informed? I believe so.
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Hinko: To make it easy for those who are less inclined to download the manual this is similar to the section from Page 61 from one of the downloadable manuals, including the fine print stating the purported capabilities of a Sony Bluray player, solely for study purposes, to contrast to the much more readily accessible website information at the start of this thread:
Originally: Blu-ray Output
480i / 480p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p via component ; 576i / 576p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p via HDMI
Now: Blu-ray Output
480i / 480p / 720p / 1080i (60Hz) via component;
576i / 576p (50Hz) via component;
576i / 576p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p (50Hz) via HDMI;
480i / 480p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p (60Hz) via HDMI;
1080p (24Hz) via HDMI
My thoughts are no longer my own and is probably representative of our media-controlled government
browned:Hinko:I blame the manufacturers for:What has that got to do with content providers?
- giving consumers incorrect information and indeed
- for simply not fully or adequately informing consumers.
Does the consumer have a right to not be misled and a right to be properly informed? I believe so.
1. If your TV supports 1080i over component and the blu-ray player supports 1080i output then unprotected content will display at 1080i.
Even if the content is protected and it gets downscaled, the content is still be shown on the TV so therefore the play supports 1080i over component.
If it didn't support it you would not get a picture at all.
2. for simply not fully or adequately informing consumers.
- seems like you have found plenty of information and fine print about what it can and can't do. don't see the problem.
The consumer is still best to take the approach of buyer beware.
If you have been told a direct lie by a sales person or a support line then by all means complain. If you think the manufacturer advertising of products is misleading contact the manufacture or the commerce commision or even fair go.
nety: Now can we all please move on and get back to our lives?
SepticSceptic:Hinko: To make it easy for those who are less inclined to download the manual this is similar to the section from Page 61 from one of the downloadable manuals, including the fine print stating the purported capabilities of a Sony Bluray player, solely for study purposes, to contrast to the much more readily accessible website information at the start of this thread:?
Originally: Blu-ray Output
480i / 480p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p via component ; 576i / 576p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p via HDMI
Now: Blu-ray Output
480i / 480p / 720p / 1080i (60Hz) via component;
576i / 576p (50Hz) via component;
576i / 576p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p (50Hz) via HDMI;
480i / 480p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p (60Hz) via HDMI;
1080p (24Hz) via HDMI
576p is the max with 50hz component, with no DRM ? Whereas 60hz gets all the available resolution ? That's a bit on the sucky side of things ....
Or is 50/60hz irrelevant now with Blu-ray ?
Hinko:SepticSceptic:Hinko: To make it easy for those who are less inclined to download the manual this is similar to the section from Page 61 from one of the downloadable manuals, including the fine print stating the purported capabilities of a Sony Bluray player, solely for study purposes, to contrast to the much more readily accessible website information at the start of this thread:?
Originally: Blu-ray Output
480i / 480p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p via component ; 576i / 576p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p via HDMI
Now: Blu-ray Output
480i / 480p / 720p / 1080i (60Hz) via component;
576i / 576p (50Hz) via component;
576i / 576p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p (50Hz) via HDMI;
480i / 480p / 720p / 1080i / 1080p (60Hz) via HDMI;
1080p (24Hz) via HDMI
576p is the max with 50hz component, with no DRM ? Whereas 60hz gets all the available resolution ? That's a bit on the sucky side of things ....
Or is 50/60hz irrelevant now with Blu-ray ?
Good question, thank you! It seems to me that 60Hz is for the US market and 50Hz is for non US, however even the manual seems silent on this aspect. How does it go again? Caveat emptor?
Why US gets HD over component yet it seems we do not does seem a mystery. Perhaps another geek knows why?
My thoughts are no longer my own and is probably representative of our media-controlled government
SepticSceptic:
Well, given the current state of Sony, they are no longer the upper tier of consumer electronics and innovation. Whilst I haven't got a blu-ray player, nor do I see one in the forseeable future for me, I'd certainly be watching those specs quite closely for any manufacturer should I be in a market for one. Upgrading the AV Receiver to an HDMI capable one is even further off in the distance.
browned: Component is an analogue system so even though it can display 1080i if it is used to display HD content and that content has a protected path requirement the output will be downscaled or forced at DVD quality. This is the nature of HDMI/HDCP.
Don't blame manufacturers for content providers requirements.
Component Video Output
Commonly found in DVD players, these terminals are used to output high quality video signals directly to devices with DVD component inputs such as selected models of Sony TVs. The video signals are separated into three separate channels for the best possible relay of signal.
Hinko:Component Video Output
Commonly found in DVD players, these terminals are used to output high quality video signals directly to devices with DVD component inputs such as selected models of Sony TVs. The video signals are separated into three separate channels for the best possible relay of signal.
No warning in Australia about ICT HD cut down there either. Perhaps the problem extends beyond New Zealand's borders? Hmmm.
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browned:Hinko:
What do Sony say in Australia? Perhaps they do better over the Tasman?
How about this from http://www.sony.com.au/productcategory/hv-bluray-disc-player product drill down:
Component Video Output
Commonly found in DVD players, these terminals are used to output high quality video signals directly to devices with DVD component inputs such as selected models of Sony TVs. The video signals are separated into three separate channels for the best possible relay of signal.
No warning in Australia about ICT HD cut down there either. Perhaps the problem extends beyond New Zealand's borders? Hmmm.
But DVD players do not play HD content
It would be a problem if it said commonly found in blu-ray players and used to output High Definition content to HDTV's in full 720p/1080p resolutions with no restrictions.
Hinko: A HD file can fit on a CD, let alone a DVD.
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