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  Reply # 308785 18-Mar-2010 15:10
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RustyGonad: Something along these lines:

Dear Mr Minister Do Dah,

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Me the little guy (cry cry sob sob)


Nice

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  Reply # 308788 18-Mar-2010 15:12
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I'm loving it - count me in...

Can we rely on Mauricio to put this on Geekzone and forward to... is it Steven Joyce?




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  Reply # 308789 18-Mar-2010 15:16
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blur: 
So following your logic, Sky are unable to charge for their non-copyrighted programming information?

Guess again...


That doesn't follow at all. They are perfectly entitled to charge for the information. The fact that they do charge for it does not imply that they have the exclusive right to do so. If someone else provides the same information, freely or otherwise, Sky should not plan to use copyright law as the basis of a successful lawsuit against them (except, as noted, that the episode descriptions might be covered). They may be able to find some other basis on which to sue, but not copyright.

As it is written, copyright does not protect raw data. It protects expression. The only fly in the ointment is that this distinction has yet to be firmly established by NZ courts, as it has been elsewhere, and until it is Sky can take advantage of the uncertainty to employ bullying tactics.



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  Reply # 308792 18-Mar-2010 15:18
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RustyGonad: Something along these lines:

Dear Mr Minister Do Dah,
....

Signed,
Me the little guy (cry cry sob sob)

brilliant! where do i sign? where do we send it to?

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  Reply # 308794 18-Mar-2010 15:22
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I would lend my support to the letter to the minister.

EDIT - Jonathon Coleman is the Minister of Broadcasting afaik.

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  Reply # 308795 18-Mar-2010 15:26
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blur: I'm loving it - count me in...

Can we rely on Mauricio to put this on Geekzone and forward to... is it Steven Joyce?


If you folks agree on final wording, yes I can post it and forward.




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  Reply # 308798 18-Mar-2010 15:28
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http://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/jonathan+coleman

His email address is on that page.

I'll see if I can put together something for a Commerce Commision complaint for Reven and others...


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  Reply # 308800 18-Mar-2010 15:34
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I'm under the impression that e-mail missives and pleadings to ministers carry far less weight than a written and posted letter.




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  Reply # 308802 18-Mar-2010 15:35
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Awesome work Rusty!!

Will certainly add my support to sending it to Jonathan Coleman. I wonder if there is any chance of getting the news agencies interested in this?







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  Reply # 308805 18-Mar-2010 15:38
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SepticSceptic: I'm under the impression that e-mail missives and pleadings to ministers carry far less weight than a written and posted letter.


Good point... so do both Cool







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  Reply # 308813 18-Mar-2010 15:59
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Nety: Awesome work Rusty!!

Will certainly add my support to sending it to Jonathan Coleman. I wonder if there is any chance of getting the news agencies interested in this?


im on hold with sky news as i type this :P

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  Reply # 308821 18-Mar-2010 16:13
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Chalk up another supporter here, will be following this very closely!!

Keep up the good work reven :) And the rest of the community for that matter, good stuff.

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  Reply # 308830 18-Mar-2010 16:25
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Anyone thought of going to the press with this, or does the wording of the Take down order preclude this?




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  Reply # 308852 18-Mar-2010 17:49
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blur: Simply viewing the sky guide on-line is fine, and it is accepted that it will be cached by your web browser. However Reven's application "scalps" the content of the sky guide and stores it in xml format on a users machine. It is then changed and reproduced as an EPG without sky's permission. Remember, they own this information.

Reven also accepts donations from users of the service that he provides. Again, the use that is actually made of those donations will be immaterial if this went to court - I'm sure that Sky's lawyers will say that he has been making money by distributing data that he has no right to distribute.

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  Reply # 308856 18-Mar-2010 17:56
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Deev8 - you are right, I'd forgotten about the donations...

I'm sure they'd try all angles just to try and make one stick.




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