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  Reply # 314847 5-Apr-2010 07:51
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Esteban: Got mine on Thursday. Up on the wall now. LV Martins have it for $2400 this weekend so there's no excuse. I love the size - it's just so much better than the old 40". So glad the Easter bunny was so kind to us.


Yeah, happened to check on Pricespy last Thursday and saw that LV Martin were having 20 percent discount so ordered the 40 inch EX500 model, expected to arrive on Wednesday.  

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  Reply # 315150 5-Apr-2010 22:53
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here's another UK review

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/plasma-and-lcd-tvs/sony-bravia-kdl-40ex503-673967/review


it seems the best prices so far are ~$1439 for the 40", ~$1999 for the 46", ~$2399 for the 55".

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 315412 6-Apr-2010 17:34
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it seems the best prices so far are ~$1439 for the 40", ~$1999 for the 46", ~$2399 for the 55".


$1439 for 40" is pretty close to the price in some other asia-pacific market.

$2399 for 55" seems a very good buy (although slightly more expensive than some other countries).

the 46" @ $1999 buys you least display area per $, and about $260 more expensive compare with some other asian countires (roughly ~$1739).

looking forward to Queen's Birthday now.

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  Reply # 315424 6-Apr-2010 18:02
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the Sony 40" is $1299 at Noel Leeming from Wednesday

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  Reply # 315481 6-Apr-2010 20:07
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vexxxboy: the Sony 40" is $1299 at Noel Leeming from Wednesday

from the flyer?

that's the EX400, which doesn't have the 100 Hz motion flow. 40" EX500 is 1799 on the flyer.

interesting sony is not listed under 20% off brands on noel leeming website, otherwise the listed $1499 price for 40EX400 would become $1199.

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  Reply # 315499 6-Apr-2010 20:55
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The EX400 isn't worth buying (IMHO, of course) due to the quite noticeable jerkiness due to 50 Hz rate. Once I noticed the effect for the first time (while looking around for an 40" LCD), I always started noticing it on inferior displays. If anyone wants to explain why I can see something at 50Hz I'd be glad to hear it.

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  Reply # 315571 6-Apr-2010 23:16
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timestyles: The EX400 isn't worth buying (IMHO, of course) due to the quite noticeable jerkiness due to 50 Hz rate. Once I noticed the effect for the first time (while looking around for an 40" LCD), I always started noticing it on inferior displays. If anyone wants to explain why I can see something at 50Hz I'd be glad to hear it.


There are many reasons you might have noticed jerkiness, the main one that springs to mind is if a blu ray is being played and it is being fed through at 50 hz instead of 24 so the tv has to do a 3:2 pulldown which is always nasty.

If you output a bluray player at 24fps it's much nicer as long as the tv can display 24fps as well and you don't need motionflow/plus/whatever to do this.

LCDs in general will have this jerkiness problem because they can't refresh anywhere near as fast as plasmas or CRTs, I find 100hz modes do little to solve this at the moment introducing their own problems like ghosting, tearing and soap opera.




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  Reply # 315623 7-Apr-2010 07:53
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hangon: looking forward to Queen's Birthday now.


Wait three months and there will be something else new with more features etc to be released soon just to confuse the situation.
Just chose the model, negotiate the price aggressively, buy it and enjoy it today.

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  Reply # 315639 7-Apr-2010 08:34
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hangon: 
looking forward to Queen's Birthday now.


LCD prices are pretty random, so you don't necessarily have to wait for a holiday weekend.  I tracked 40" prices for 9 weeks at Noel Leeming and Dick Smith, have a look at my spreadsheet here, new lowest values are in red. 

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  Reply # 315778 7-Apr-2010 14:56
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clevedon:
hangon: looking forward to Queen's Birthday now.


Wait three months and there will be something else new with more features etc to be released soon just to confuse the situation.
Just chose the model, negotiate the price aggressively, buy it and enjoy it today.


no hurry zz my old tv is still kickn

besides who really needs a new TV? Tongue out




nice work timestyles that's quite some dedication.

i'd grab the 46" right away if we are not over charged (and generally under paid) ... hate to bargin price with pushy sales. shops should just put an honest list price up front.

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  Reply # 315782 7-Apr-2010 15:10
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hangon:


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i'd grab the 46" right away if we are not over charged (and generally under paid) ... hate to bargin price with pushy sales. shops should just put an honest list price up front.


I'm the opposite, It's a game, I will never buy a big ticket item until I can screw the particular store I always buy off down at least 25-30% off ticket price, all it takes is a few phone calls to competing retailers back and forth and job done. And as the song goes - I want it all and I want it now !

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  Reply # 315899 7-Apr-2010 21:03
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25-30% is a big win on your behalf!
'Full retail' in the appliance game is considered to be a big ticket item with over 20% margin...
If you're getting 25-30, it'd have to be a clearance item, no?

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  Reply # 316023 8-Apr-2010 07:25
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Dunnersfella: 25-30% is a big win on your behalf!
'Full retail' in the appliance game is considered to be a big ticket item with over 20% margin...
If you're getting 25-30, it'd have to be a clearance item, no?


No clearance items and all reasonably good gear, I have spent many, many 000's at this store over the last 24 months, I only ever deal with one particular guy, I do the pricing ground work, he always betters the price, I always pay cash.

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  Reply # 316065 8-Apr-2010 09:53
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samwooff:
timestyles: The EX400 isn't worth buying (IMHO, of course) due to the quite noticeable jerkiness due to 50 Hz rate. Once I noticed the effect for the first time (while looking around for an 40" LCD), I always started noticing it on inferior displays. If anyone wants to explain why I can see something at 50Hz I'd be glad to hear it.


There are many reasons you might have noticed jerkiness, the main one that springs to mind is if a blu ray is being played and it is being fed through at 50 hz instead of 24 so the tv has to do a 3:2 pulldown which is always nasty.

If you output a bluray player at 24fps it's much nicer as long as the tv can display 24fps as well and you don't need motionflow/plus/whatever to do this.

LCDs in general will have this jerkiness problem because they can't refresh anywhere near as fast as plasmas or CRTs, I find 100hz modes do little to solve this at the moment introducing their own problems like ghosting, tearing and soap opera.


Don't forget the fundamental inherent problem with the choice of 24fps for Bluray.  This is simply too slow to show large slow panning shots smoothly and has hence introduced the attempt to correct this of the 50hz/100hz/200hz/600hz (marketing) refresh rates and intermediate frame creation etc.  There was a cool article about this linked somewhere around here.  Point is though that often these image problems can be source related but blamed on the TV display.

Sam is spot on though that it is often very hard to judge any of this with the source material being shown in shops, which may be hdmi but may also be component or other, and the other lighting issues etc going on in the store as well.

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  Reply # 316075 8-Apr-2010 10:23
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I had my eyes on the Panasonic V10 for 3 months, until this 55 inch from Sony came out at end of March

The lowest I can get on the V10 is $2750 the day before Easter Friday, the Sony is about the same or cheaper.

I still bought the V10 at the end, although its smaller, and perhaps more expensive, but its what I need.

I think if you only care about size of the TV, go to Sony
If you want something more than that, go to Panasonic

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