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Reply # 28134 10-Feb-2006 09:13
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My 2 cents in the rent debate. When you rent something, you pay a small proportion of the cost in recurring payments, this is not a rental situation, you buy (single payment) MySky, but in this instance you don't own the equipment, so how I interpret this is that you purchase the service.

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Reply # 28148 10-Feb-2006 12:22

TonyAndrewMeyer: Do you find it ridiculous that ... That businesses lease vehicles, equipment, computers?

There are advantages to renting/leasing/hiring. If anything goes wrong with the device, it's up to Sky to fix it. If the device is upgraded, then you should be able to get a new version without cost. And so on.


Sorry to be a pain in the ..., but at the end of the lease you will get the product, isnt it?
Like hire-purchase. Or not? Correct me if I am wrong.

I find the 599 too much to pay in one amount for not owning something, however I am impressed with the service. I think SKY should decrease the price and build in into the monthly fee the rest. This would attract more people to buy this kind of service.
For example me. :)

 
 
 
 


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Reply # 28149 10-Feb-2006 12:40
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Leases comonly have a "option to buy" at the termination of the lease, while many have a roll over where you get the use a newer version. I have not entered a lease contract that operates like a hire purchase, but I imagine they exist, like the old DTR "rent-to-buy" system. If the contract incurs interest it would be a hire purchase. Leases commonly include service costs, i.e. maintenance costs will be paid for by the leaser.

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Reply # 28151 10-Feb-2006 14:12
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Jama: I am afraid I agree with Aloha - $599 for box you don't own and you can't even take the content off.


You can take the content off. Simply plug a VCR or DVD recorder into the MySky box and away you go. This is explicitly allowed by Sky.

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Reply # 28153 10-Feb-2006 14:14
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lyon_rouge: My 2 cents in the rent debate. When you rent something, you pay a small proportion of the cost in recurring payments, this is not a rental situation, you buy (single payment) MySky, but in this instance you don't own the equipment, so how I interpret this is that you purchase the service.


No, Sky equipment is rented. About $17 a month is decoder rental (you can switch to only paying that, and just get the free-to-air channels). The $600 is installation - paying for someone to come out and do the work, as well as really an 'upgrade' fee to change decoders.

Sky is and always has been in the business of renting decoders, not selling them. There are many positives.

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Reply # 28154 10-Feb-2006 14:17
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Aloha: I find the 599 too much to pay in one amount for not owning something, however I am impressed with the service. I think SKY should decrease the price and build in into the monthly fee the rest. This would seduct [sic] more people to buy this kind of service.


Clearly the installation fee will be reduced. Sky, along with basically every other company, always charges early adopters the most. Just as you can get regular digital Sky installed for $100 now (which was not always the case, especially if you didn't wait for specials) MySky will eventually drop the (installation) price. There are clear business reasons why this is the case (take a course if you're interested).

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Reply # 28156 10-Feb-2006 14:46
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According to Sky:

Can I transfer My Programmes from MYSKY to a VCR or DVDR?

Transfer NO, Record from MYSKY to VCR or DVDR YES

$599.00 for 'installation' must be gold plated wiring. Sky Digital cost me $99 and that including making a custom bracket to mount the dish.

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Reply # 28160 10-Feb-2006 15:06
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TonyAndrewMeyer:
lyon_rouge: My 2 cents in the rent debate. When you rent something, you pay a small proportion of the cost in recurring payments, this is not a rental situation, you buy (single payment) MySky, but in this instance you don't own the equipment, so how I interpret this is that you purchase the service.


No, Sky equipment is rented. About $17 a month is decoder rental (you can switch to only paying that, and just get the free-to-air channels). The $600 is installation - paying for someone to come out and do the work, as well as really an 'upgrade' fee to change decoders.

Sky is and always has been in the business of renting decoders, not selling them. There are many positives.


Is that $17.00 a month more for MySky?

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Reply # 28167 10-Feb-2006 15:33
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lyon_rouge: Is that $17.00 a month more for MySky?


No, MySky is the same monthly amount as regular digital Sky. The $17/month is the part of the monthly Sky cost that is decoder rental (if you look at the subscription options, it's the cheapest one, where you don't even get Sky1).

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Reply # 28168 10-Feb-2006 15:41
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Jama: According to Sky:

Can I transfer My Programmes from MYSKY to a VCR or DVDR?

Transfer NO, Record from MYSKY to VCR or DVDR YES

$599.00 for 'installation' must be gold plated wiring. Sky Digital cost me $99 and that including making a custom bracket to mount the dish.


Recording from MySky to VCR/DVDR *is* transferring (use a dictionary). No, you can't simply copy the file, but it's encoded (I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the decoder isn't much faster than real-time anyway) so that would be useless anyway.

$99 is vastly discounted (Sky recovers the cost from the monthly subscriptions). The original digital installation cost was much closer to what it would actually cost.

I fail to see what people don't understand here. It's expensive. Any new technology (ok this isn't new, but it's new to NZ) is expensive. This is how businesses work.

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Reply # 28169 10-Feb-2006 15:49

TonyAndrewMeyer: The $600 is installation - paying for someone to come out and do the work, as well as really an 'upgrade' fee to change decoders.
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Is there any open position for an installer? They must be well paid if a single installation costs 600NZD.




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Reply # 28171 10-Feb-2006 15:55

TonyAndrewMeyer: I fail to see what people don't understand here. It's expensive. Any new technology (ok this isn't new, but it's new to NZ) is expensive. This is how businesses work.


I tell you what I dont understand: Why people like you keep your nose soo high and think that everybody else is a dumb?
Just pay attention to your posts: "use a dictionary", "take a course"

Well, you must be a high educated, very smart people in the world, but believe me, we understand the business too. We just dont accept things like 600 dollar for installation. But thats it. You can be polite though.




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Reply # 28177 10-Feb-2006 16:29
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Jama: According to Sky:

Can I transfer My Programmes from MYSKY to a VCR or DVDR?

Transfer NO, Record from MYSKY to VCR or DVDR YES

$599.00 for 'installation' must be gold plated wiring. Sky Digital cost me $99 and that including making a custom bracket to mount the dish.


Recording from MySky to VCR/DVDR *is* transferring (use a dictionary). No, you can't simply copy the file, but it's encoded (I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the decoder isn't much faster than real-time anyway) so that would be useless anyway.

$99 is vastly discounted (Sky recovers the cost from the monthly subscriptions). The original digital installation cost was much closer to what it would actually cost.

I fail to see what people don't understand here. It's expensive. Any new technology (ok this isn't new, but it's new to NZ) is expensive. This is how businesses work.


Businesses compete with one another and the pricing is driven by what they supply vs market demand. A monopoly has the luxury of charging whatever it chooses, which is how I believe Sky TV works.

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Reply # 28178 10-Feb-2006 16:45
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lyon_rouge: Businesses compete with one another and the pricing is driven by what they supply vs market demand. A monopoly has the luxury of charging whatever it chooses, which is how I believe Sky TV works.


Indeed. That's why (IMO) it's much better value to use one of the DVD-rental-by-post services (e.g. Movieshack) than Sky Movies, because there is competition in that market.

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Reply # 28179 10-Feb-2006 16:59
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Once it is recorded to MySky you can not transfer it off MySky just explaining it for the uneducated.

After all the hard drive is limited in size and storage sooner or later you have to delete something.

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