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  Reply # 323877 27-Apr-2010 20:59
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1gkar: Question:

Does the AVR-1910 allow decoding of Blu-ray TrueHD & DTS-MA signals?



Yes.

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  Reply # 323999 28-Apr-2010 08:29
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I have the 2308 and while it doesn't decode the HD audio formats, my PS3 does so that's not a biggie to me. It's a great AVR, I can't see why the 1910 wouldn't be as good. The 2308 was the lowest "Made in Japan" model at the time, I don't know if it makes a difference to you, but some people prefer Japan over China I think?

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  Reply # 324019 28-Apr-2010 08:58
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cgrew, have you considered Yamaha RXV1900? just to future proof yourself (no such thing in HT world I suppose...) its a unit with 140watt x 7 channel. I know you can get them for under $2000.... cos I bought one and then upgraded to RXV3900.



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  Reply # 324027 28-Apr-2010 09:08
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MrFlower: cgrew, have you considered Yamaha RXV1900? just to future proof yourself (no such thing in HT world I suppose...) its a unit with 140watt x 7 channel. I know you can get them for under $2000.... cos I bought one and then upgraded to RXV3900.


No I have not looked at the V1900 at this stage, that's an older model Yamaha receiver isn't it?  After doing more research on the Denon's new AVR range they all have excellent power ratings and the 1910 does have DTS-HD Master and Dolby Digital TrueHD.

At some point im going to go into Top Hi-Fi and test out the Denon AVR-1910 against the Yam RX I have, untill then I'm still open for other suggestions.


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  Reply # 324039 28-Apr-2010 09:23
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I think you are talking about RXV1800... which is a previous model. V1900 is the current Yamaha model, its on par with Marantz SR6004

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  Reply # 324040 28-Apr-2010 09:24
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The AVR-1911 will be out in a few months (June?) overseas. Apparently they have HDMI 1.4a (i.e. 3D Ready). Not sure when in NZ. Maybe there might be some deals somewhere on the AVR-1910 when that happens?

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  Reply # 324043 28-Apr-2010 09:26
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you pay a bit more for Marantz, and it might be a struggle to get a SR6004 under $2k....



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  Reply # 324051 28-Apr-2010 09:39
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Firstly MrFlower the V1900 is an older model - check out Yamaha.com, the newest powerhoarse models for 2009/2010 are the RX-V1065 & RX-V2065.

Secondly that's very good to know grolschie about the HDMI 1.4 support for the knew Denon coming, truth is I'm not sure if I'm ready to switch to 3-D anytime soon. I personally don't think the market for 3-D is going to take off in NZ.

You should start a thread and post it - what are your opinions on the new 3-D TVs and AV receiver's ect that will support 3-D that are just around the corner?

I myself like things rather simple, I'm into good Hi-Fi stereo sound music playback and I do really injoy watching a good Blu-Ray or DVD with a 5.1 surround sound mix - having both is great, but 3-D? $300 glasses you have to wear? errrm..

Oh and yes if I could afford a Marantz I would but I think the AVR-1910 will do the job, fingers crossed.

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  Reply # 324101 28-Apr-2010 11:26
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cgrew: Firstly MrFlower the V1900 is an older model - check out Yamaha.com, the newest powerhoarse models for 2009/2010 are the RX-V1065 & RX-V2065.

Secondly that's very good to know grolschie about the HDMI 1.4 support for the knew Denon coming, truth is I'm not sure if I'm ready to switch to 3-D anytime soon. I personally don't think the market for 3-D is going to take off in NZ.

You should start a thread and post it - what are your opinions on the new 3-D TVs and AV receiver's ect that will support 3-D that are just around the corner?

I myself like things rather simple, I'm into good Hi-Fi stereo sound music playback and I do really injoy watching a good Blu-Ray or DVD with a 5.1 surround sound mix - having both is great, but 3-D? $300 glasses you have to wear? errrm..

Oh and yes if I could afford a Marantz I would but I think the AVR-1910 will do the job, fingers crossed.


I was wondering about should I get an RXV1065 or RXV1900 before I made my purchase, been told the 1900 uses toroidal transformer, where as RXVxx65 series are not, some even mentioned there is a signicant cost saving from Yamaha on the 2010 line. so I bought my 1900 when they are still available, which I later upgraded to 3900...

1065/2065 is about 10kg, 1900 is 18kg, I like my equipment heavy.



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  Reply # 324108 28-Apr-2010 11:37
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MrFlower:
cgrew: Firstly MrFlower the V1900 is an older model - check out Yamaha.com, the newest powerhoarse models for 2009/2010 are the RX-V1065 & RX-V2065.

Secondly that's very good to know grolschie about the HDMI 1.4 support for the knew Denon coming, truth is I'm not sure if I'm ready to switch to 3-D anytime soon. I personally don't think the market for 3-D is going to take off in NZ.

You should start a thread and post it - what are your opinions on the new 3-D TVs and AV receiver's ect that will support 3-D that are just around the corner?

I myself like things rather simple, I'm into good Hi-Fi stereo sound music playback and I do really injoy watching a good Blu-Ray or DVD with a 5.1 surround sound mix - having both is great, but 3-D? $300 glasses you have to wear? errrm..

Oh and yes if I could afford a Marantz I would but I think the AVR-1910 will do the job, fingers crossed.


I was wondering about should I get an RXV1065 or RXV1900 before I made my purchase, been told the 1900 uses toroidal transformer, where as RXVxx65 series are not, some even mentioned there is a signicant cost saving from Yamaha on the 2010 line. so I bought my 1900 when they are still available, which I later upgraded to 3900...

1065/2065 is about 10kg, 1900 is 18kg, I like my equipment heavy.


The RX series are good especially for the number of HDMI in/out ports they have intergrated on the receiver's compared to the older models.

And as for heavy?  Yes heavy is good - do you know why?  Being a more solid unit makes it more resistance to noise vibration etc.  And ultimately a bigger well built solid amp will last longer then a tin box.  That's just physics, I see adds on geekzone advertising those tiny wee orb speaker's, they're probably a really good sounding speaker for their size but if you want true sonic sound, a physically bigger speaker will always sound better - always.

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  Reply # 324146 28-Apr-2010 12:57
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Rather than taking your receiver to the showroom, ask if you can borrow one of their units and take it home for a week. Leave a credit card slip if need be, so they can charge you if you steal/damage/break it.

You're far better off auditioning new kit in your own room, for two reasons. Firstly, you'll see how it sounds when it's in *your* room, as opposed to the shop, which will have totally different acoustics. Secondly, you can take time to listen to a lot of stuff over the week, and swap between the two components. This will give you a good idea of whether there's any difference in the sound, and whether that difference is worth the purchase price of the new receiver.

It's very easy to be convince yourself that you can hear a difference when you've got half an hour to listen to something, and you're sitting next to a salesman who has a vested interest in you hearing that difference.

If the shop won't lend you the equipment, it's either because they know there won't be enough of a difference to purchase, or because you look scruffy and need a haircut ;-)

Re the banana plugs and 1080 passthru - when have you *ever* wanted to pass through an HDMI signal as opposed to processing it in the receiver? Do you spend your weekends regularly un-hooking and re-hooking your speakers into the receiver? Do you really want to spend a thousand bucks or more to solve those non problems?



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  Reply # 324180 28-Apr-2010 13:46
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buzzy: Rather than taking your receiver to the showroom, ask if you can borrow one of their units and take it home for a week. Leave a credit card slip if need be, so they can charge you if you steal/damage/break it.

You're far better off auditioning new kit in your own room, for two reasons. Firstly, you'll see how it sounds when it's in *your* room, as opposed to the shop, which will have totally different acoustics. Secondly, you can take time to listen to a lot of stuff over the week, and swap between the two components. This will give you a good idea of whether there's any difference in the sound, and whether that difference is worth the purchase price of the new receiver.

It's very easy to be convince yourself that you can hear a difference when you've got half an hour to listen to something, and you're sitting next to a salesman who has a vested interest in you hearing that difference.

If the shop won't lend you the equipment, it's either because they know there won't be enough of a difference to purchase, or because you look scruffy and need a haircut ;-)

Re the banana plugs and 1080 passthru - when have you *ever* wanted to pass through an HDMI signal as opposed to processing it in the receiver? Do you spend your weekends regularly un-hooking and re-hooking your speakers into the receiver? Do you really want to spend a thousand bucks or more to solve those non problems?


You've raised some good points and recommendations there buzzy. Now as to the borrowing of the shops equipment, damage or break I can understand about leaving your Visa behind but steal...?  No I would never... Surprised

All the other things you mentioned I will keep in consideration - some good advice there thankyou.  I will surely organise a time with Top Hi-Fi to find out if and when I can use their Denon receiver.


Cheers.

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  Reply # 324195 28-Apr-2010 14:04
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I'd put money on you buying that receiver, you seem pretty keen on it.

Remember though that the power thing is a bit relative to the volumes you want to play stuff at.  A 100W receiver will sound similar to a 150W receiver at normal listening volumes.  You'll need the power if you play it very loud, so you can output a loud but non distorted signal.  At all other times, you wont be using the extra power.  Kinda like a corolla and a mercedes sports car both driving to the 50km/hr speed limit, the mercedes has the additional power, but under normal conditions it's not required/used.  Maybe a crap example....

What I'm getting at though is if you're buying a new receiver to get a bit more power and some banana plugs then you're pretty much just giving away your money.  I'd look to ensure you picked up some modern features mainly to ensure there was a bit more substance to the upgrade.  Eg the receiver can decode the latest bluray HD audio tracks for instance, and ensuring your Bluray player can send these out still compressed for a receiver to decode.  Ample hdmi inputs, possible dual hdmi output, can upscale analogue inputs to hdmi outputs, nameable and assignable inputs, possibly some zone 2 action etc etc...

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  Reply # 324214 28-Apr-2010 14:20
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Another thought. From what I read, double the power/watts doesn't mean double the volume. The difference between a 90w amp and a 180w amp is about 3dB. 6dB is twice as loud, so you'd need 4x the watts to double the volume - not that one necessarily wants/needs double the volume.

Why do I mention this? Well, I reckon there would possibly be very little difference in power between your current amp and the Denon. I guess that also depends on the power supplies on each receiver being able to deliver the required power when under load, multiple channels driven, etc.



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  Reply # 324217 28-Apr-2010 14:27
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Jaxson: I'd put money on you buying that receiver, you seem pretty keen on it.

Remember though that the power thing is a bit relative to the volumes you want to play stuff at.  A 100W receiver will sound similar to a 150W receiver at normal listening volumes.  You'll need the power if you play it very loud, so you can output a loud but non distorted signal.  At all other times, you wont be using the extra power.  Kinda like a corolla and a mercedes sports car both driving to the 50km/hr speed limit, the mercedes has the additional power, but under normal conditions it's not required/used.  Maybe a crap example....

What I'm getting at though is if you're buying a new receiver to get a bit more power and some banana plugs then you're pretty much just giving away your money.  I'd look to ensure you picked up some modern features mainly to ensure there was a bit more substance to the upgrade.  Eg the receiver can decode the latest bluray HD audio tracks for instance, and ensuring your Bluray player can send these out still compressed for a receiver to decode.  Ample hdmi inputs, possible dual hdmi output, can upscale analogue inputs to hdmi outputs, nameable and assignable inputs, possibly some zone 2 action etc etc...


I thought that was a good example actually and well the only example I could give you that I might get some benefit upgrading to the Denon AVR is that with the old speakers I used to have (before my Diamond 9s) with my current AV receiver is that the Yamaha powered them very well.  Now since upgrading to the Wharfedale Diamond 9s I can almost turn the receiver right up to max and the loudness is not substantially that high.  So I went for a suggestion from Top Hi-Fi and they recommended the Denon.

Pretty much they said that the Yamaha couldn't power my Diamond 9s as good as the Denon AVR - but I'm yet to find that out myself.  And also I believe the Denon has some zone 2 action as you mentioned before.

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