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  #324825 29-Apr-2010 16:45
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buzzy:
cgrew: Yes I agree, and I have thought about getting a pre-amp which would be excellent for listening to stereo playback.  But I think long term I would prefer a decent AV receiver that is cable of a good Dolby Digital TrueHD 5.1 sorround sound mix as well as being able to listen to good stereo playback.

The amp I got now has DD TrueHD & DTS-HDMSTR but I need one more powerfull.

Any other recommendations as far as AV receivers go richms?



No offense, but I think you may misunderstand the concept of a power amp vs a pre-amp.

A pre-amp takes a small signal (typically phono, from a turntable) and amplifies it to "line level" to be fed into an amplifier or receiver.

A power amp takes the decoded, line-level signal from your current receiver, amplifies it, and powers the speakers.

What does this mean? You retain your current receiver; it does the decoding work, provides the power for your surrounds and your center, and sends the LFE signal to your sub. It sends the output for the two front speakers to the power amp, which then amplifies the signal and sends it to your front speakers.

The result is that your current receiver does all the decoding and provides surround/sub/center, while the power amp handles the front/stereo speakers.


Non taken, I'm just quoting the exact words found in my Yamaha RX-V465 manual - their words for the output found on the back of the receiver are as follows: pre amplifier out



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  #324832 29-Apr-2010 16:58
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After checking with the PDF file found online at yamaha.com they are calling it a 'pre out' for an 'external amplifier' - I think that has to be a misprint.

 
 
 
 


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  #324854 29-Apr-2010 17:38
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That's what they're called. They are the outputs from the pre-amp. They connect to the inputs of an external amplifier or power amp.

I think maybe you need to do a bit of reading/research.  It sounds like you have a bit of knowledge, but are a bit ahead of yourself.  Make sure you know what's what before you go make a purchase, or you mght get sucked into buying something you don't really need just because it sounds good (and I don't mean the noise it makes!).

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  #324868 29-Apr-2010 17:57
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P.S. That may have come across condescending, and it wasn't meant to. If you're serious about getting a new amp, sign up here (hope you don't mind freitasm) and ask "the experts" a question.

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  #324950 29-Apr-2010 20:25
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cgrew: After checking with the PDF file found online at yamaha.com they are calling it a 'pre out' for an 'external amplifier' - I think that has to be a misprint.


That's correct -the Yamaha becomes a "pre-amp" for the front two speakers. It does the decoding of the incoming signal and sends the results to an external amplifier - the power amp. The power amp amplifies the signal and sends it to the speakers.

The advantage is that power amps are usually built with one purpose in mind: take an incoming stereo signal and perform the best quality amplification possible, with the most power and least distortion. This means you've have some serious power to drive your front two speakers, and leave the Yamaha to handle the much less demanding surrounds and center channel.

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  #325107 30-Apr-2010 09:19
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Thanks bazzer and buzzy my back round knowledge on external amplifiers for AV receiver's is abit limited.

Due to limted room and appearance I probably won't go down that path on investing in a power amp but am serious on getting a new AV receiver - if I can find one better than my current receiver

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  #325326 30-Apr-2010 15:46
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Forgive me, but if you do decide to buy a new one, I'd be interested in placing an offer on your RXV465. Thats if you want to sell it. May help you make your mind up.

 

 
 
 
 




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  #325327 30-Apr-2010 15:49
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loathe: Forgive me, but if you do decide to buy a new one, I'd be interested in placing an offer on your RXV465. Thats if you want to sell it. May help you make your mind up.

 


No worries mate I was planning to sell it on trade me soon.  By all means make an offer?



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  #367153 13-Aug-2010 13:23
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I forgot to post back on my thread - I ended up getting the Denon AVR-2310, the model up from the AVR-1910 and I have to say what a beauty this receiver is.

It has very clear and punchy bass and it loves being driven loud but still gives you
fantastic insight at lower volumes. Sonically it is one of the best amplifiers I've ever heard and owned.

5 stars.




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  #367222 13-Aug-2010 15:36
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I just find it so annoying that its really hard to find what amplifier technology is being used in receivers - so many still have old analog chip amps in them, whereas ideally I would expect them to have class T or class D digital amps these days.




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  #367230 13-Aug-2010 15:55
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All the new 2010 Denon AVR's are digital my friend and are made in Japan.

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  #367331 13-Aug-2010 19:27
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cgrew: All the new 2010 Denon AVR's are digital my friend and are made in Japan.


They dont do a very good job telling you that, I would have thought that is one of the few compelling resons to get a newer reciver if you have one that does all you need.




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  #368089 16-Aug-2010 09:15
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Not sure about other branded receivers but Denon state this on their website.

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  #368091 16-Aug-2010 09:19
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cgrew: All the new 2010 Denon AVR's are digital my friend and are made in Japan.

Are you sure?  In previous years, the lower end models have been made in China, only the upper end models were made in Japan (and the tipping point moved higher and higher in the range over the years).  I have the 2308 and it was the lowest made in Japan model from that year.  I was under the impression that only the 4310 and 4810 are made in Japan?

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cgrew: Not sure about other branded receivers but Denon state this on their website.

Also, just checked the NZ website and it says: "All channels Discrete Analogue power amp design."?

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