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  #3112749 7-Aug-2023 11:59
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Handle9: Self insurance + CGA makes much more financial sense than any extended warranty, including AppleCare. Over the long term you’ll likely win but you may not.

 

 

 

Financial sense it does maybe. But we are in the 'now' economy. 

 

Why wait 2-4 weeks to get something through CGA when I can lodge a claim with Apple, they send me a brand new device within 2 days, then I send the broken device back in the same packaging (iPhone). For Mac Air, I don't think they have the courier new device policy, but you can drop off the device at an Apple Authorise Repairer and they will sort everything out for you. Last year I had an iPad Pro 11" that was bend and looked like a banana that needed some TLC. Apple shop took 3 days to assess, approve, order parts, and fix device.  

 

Downsides of using your own insurance:

 

     

  1. Claim will take longer to resolve, as they will more than likely require it to be assessed, then approved, then fixed. And that takes time.
  2. It may impact your no claims bonus
  3. You may have to declare your claim during future contents claims
  4. It could impact your annual premiums
  5. Does not generally include out of warranty claims - this requires a different claim using CGA which can be challenging.

 

 

 

Benefits of using AppleCare:

 

     

  1. Claim process is very quick and can generally be approved on the spot by the repairer doing the assessment
  2. Pricing is very straight forward - you buy AppleCare for a onetime free. You pay every claim (if not covered under standard 1 year warranty)
  3. Everything is covered for 3 years from accidental damage to out of warranty claims. 
  4. You only deal with one person the whole time.

 

I dunno about you, but I don't want to give my insurance company ammo for increasing my annual costs. I am happy to pay a small fee to have wider independent coverage.

 

 


 
 
 

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  #3112756 7-Aug-2023 12:13
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SpartanVXL: I wouldn’t go with cloud gaming personally, it again depends on what you want to play. 

 

I use Geforce Now $9.99 month plan once or twice a month, and my son uses it around 4x week for RTS, FPS, and simulation games.

 

We have 3 hour sessions, which are not always enforced. Run at 1080p/60FPS and the download bandwidth peaks at 75Mbps. Ping hovers around 38ms.

 

It sounds like the OP only games occasionally, and plays RTS games which are excellent on Geforce Now. FPS games are okay, but you do occasionally notice quality issues. My son says the ping is noticeable on games like Fortnite, but he is still happy. My hard core gamer mates do not like FPS games on GFN, but they use 4k ultra-wide monitors up to 120hz. GFN is not mean't to replace this use case.


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  #3112882 7-Aug-2023 16:38
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jjnz1:

Handle9: Self insurance + CGA makes much more financial sense than any extended warranty, including AppleCare. Over the long term you’ll likely win but you may not.


 


Financial sense it does maybe. But we are in the 'now' economy. 


Why wait 2-4 weeks to get something through CGA when I can lodge a claim with Apple, they send me a brand new device within 2 days, then I send the broken device back in the same packaging (iPhone). For Mac Air, I don't think they have the courier new device policy, but you can drop off the device at an Apple Authorise Repairer and they will sort everything out for you. Last year I had an iPad Pro 11" that was bend and looked like a banana that needed some TLC. Apple shop took 3 days to assess, approve, order parts, and fix device.  


Downsides of using your own insurance:



  1. Claim will take longer to resolve, as they will more than likely require it to be assessed, then approved, then fixed. And that takes time.

  2. It may impact your no claims bonus

  3. You may have to declare your claim during future contents claims

  4. It could impact your annual premiums

  5. Does not generally include out of warranty claims - this requires a different claim using CGA which can be challenging.


 


Benefits of using AppleCare:



  1. Claim process is very quick and can generally be approved on the spot by the repairer doing the assessment

  2. Pricing is very straight forward - you buy AppleCare for a onetime free. You pay every claim (if not covered under standard 1 year warranty)

  3. Everything is covered for 3 years from accidental damage to out of warranty claims. 

  4. You only deal with one person the whole time.


I dunno about you, but I don't want to give my insurance company ammo for increasing my annual costs. I am happy to pay a small fee to have wider independent coverage.


 



It’s not a “small fee.” It’s approximately 15-20% of the price of the phone.

If you like to waste money that’s on you. It makes no sense to me.



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  #3112938 7-Aug-2023 19:10
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I should add it gets even less useful as you have more devices.

I have a Mac Mini, an iPhone, an iPad and an Apple Watch. My wife has an iPhone, MacBook Pro, iPad and an Apple Watch. My kids both have iPads and we have Apple TVs.

The cost of AppleCare on all of those devices is insane, especially when you factor in the low chance of failure outside warranty. It’s far far better to self insure, use home insurance and consumer protection than waste money on AppleCare.

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  #3113753 9-Aug-2023 15:39
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rb99:

 

Y the Asus has twice the memory and four times the storage for 60 or 70 dollars more.  

 

 

Yes indeed. The asus tuf has been the front running machine for me all along. In fact ive seen it as low as $1599 but that special seems to have ended. The OLED 14" Flip is currently really cheap, but obviously its not a gamer, but I imagine movies look good on it. 

 

I am still curious what I could build for $1700 in a PC and given I need an exernal monitor either way is it possible to get a reasonably large 2k monitor/

 

and apple, if only I could run RTS games on it like the latest version of Company of Heroes. I believe the CPU intensive HOI4 grand strategy game can run on MacOS...... if the M chips are far superior to the intel/amd chips then it would run such a game much faster. but still, its limiting and my software preference is prem pro, nothing else Mac offers really compels me, but I might take a quick look as its been a while.

and then there is the option of a much better console than I have for playing sports games online. even wih a VPN into US Madden was reasonably quick, unfortunately my old Xbox isnt :-) and then building a PC for value for money with a good value 2k screen.


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  #3113754 9-Aug-2023 15:45
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Handle9: I should add it gets even less useful as you have more devices.

I have a Mac Mini, an iPhone, an iPad and an Apple Watch. My wife has an iPhone, MacBook Pro, iPad and an Apple Watch. My kids both have iPads and we have Apple TVs.

The cost of AppleCare on all of those devices is insane, especially when you factor in the low chance of failure outside warranty. It’s far far better to self insure, use home insurance and consumer protection than waste money on AppleCare.

 

Do you need to nominate these devices on home insurance? how does consumer protection work.

 

Wow you are an apple user extreme hehe.


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  #3115717 14-Aug-2023 14:24
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The i5-12500h 12 core crushes the apple m2 8 core in the budget MB Air

Intel Core i5 12500H vs Apple M2: performance comparison (nanoreview.net)

 

The m2 is clearly aimed at lighter use, similar to the Intel U chips.

THe Gigabyte G5 with 3060, 16gb, 12500h, 144hz is about $1650, its not as good as the asus Tuf 5, especially the screen, but if using with a 32" 2k monitor it could work?

Conversely I really like the look of th asus vivobook, 16.3" 3.2k OLED 100%DCI-P3 120HZ INTEL COREI7-12700H 16GB, its weak point is the rtx3050. But would it do for casual gaming? This is also win11 pro vs home. Seems like a good value Content and Developer platform with the 12core i7? Plus bedside netflix sessions with the OLED screen would be nice. $2k. There is the more affordable 14" flip version.

ASUS Vivobook 16X OLED K3605ZC-MX077X 16"3.2K 100%DCI-P3 120Hz Intel Corei7-12700H 16GB 1TB/NVMe RTX3050/4G Win11Pro HDMI2.1 WiFi6E USB-C/PD 63WhrBtry (justlaptops.co.nz)

 

Ryzen 9 5900x is too behind the i7.... $1700 for this 14

ASUS VivoBook Pro 14 OLED M3401QC-KM210W 14"2800x1800 100%DCI-P3 90Hz AMD Ryzen9-5900HX 16GB 512GB RTX3050 NumPad WebCam Backlit-KB WiFi6 Win11 1.45Kg (justlaptops.co.nz)

 

One thing that really surprised me is how the new RTX4050 is very close performing to the RTX3060

 

 




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that asus vivobook 16x looks good, the oled is great, but then you see  it has no backlit keyboard... this shouldnt be an option on laptops in my opinon, just give people the option to turn it off.  such a pita not having this.

 

 

 

problem with apple is sure their base model are priced ok, but $350 for 256gb storage is just a complete rip off, no way you can spin that.  you can sorta spint he $350 for 8GB ram, thats still a rip off, but you can argue is faster and its soldered on, but storage... .nah....256GB is nothing... standard should be 1TB.   im looking at getting a mac mini for a side project (something i need to test for), 256GB storage/8GB ram is just a joke.   storage is something that wears out and needs replacing over time.   its just going to become ewaste.  at least their some usually refurbished you can grab, but if you look on trademe, theyre all pretty much the base model cos hardly anyone is willing to spend $700 to get something modern spec'd


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reven:

 

that asus vivobook 16x looks good, the oled is great, but then you see  it has no backlit keyboard... this shouldnt be an option on laptops in my opinon, just give people the option to turn it off.  such a pita not having this.

 

 

 

problem with apple is sure their base model are priced ok, but $350 for 256gb storage is just a complete rip off, 

 

 

I agree, such a shame about not backlit keys, which does often bug me. You can get those cheap downlights that attach to top of screen, but it should just be an option there, on or off.

and again, apple pricing is what keeps me from giving them another go. The m2 8 core is ok, it compares similar to intel U chips. But its not even close to the 12 core intels. You want more anything, power, storage, memory, it costs an arm and a leg, for me the asus screen is a way better purchase, espeicially for enjoying HDR content.

Power game wise, is hard to beat the Katana rtx4070 for $2300, this is prob hard to beat even with a PC build, not that the GPUs are the same power, more it just costs shed loads to put a gamer together that pushes the same kind of numbers. the i7 12 core is $200 more. Would go with a nice 32" monitor. Its a shame OLED monitors are not cheap yet.

MSI Katana 15 B12V RTX 4070 i5-12450H 16GB 512GB Gaming Laptop | Computer Lounge


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  #3115748 14-Aug-2023 15:57
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These asus Proart Studio similar to the vivobook with the 3.2k 16" OLED. But with the amazing i9 24core beast destroys the apple m2 pro in multi core, then throw and RTX4070 on it, now this is a sweet machine. But should be for $5k. If there were something more around $3k with same screen, 4700 and a 12 core Id prob be very happy. I had an OLED alienware and the screen was something you look forward to using. in 16.3" it must be a pleasure to use despite the non backlit keys.

 

ASUS ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED 16“3.2K 120Hz Touch Intel 24xCore i9-13980HX 32GB 1TB/Gen4 RTX4070 Win11Pro HDMI RJ45 TB4 IR FHD Webcam WiFi6E 90WhBtry (justlaptops.co.nz)

 

Edit: oh this could be it, same screen, vivobook 16x with i9 24 core and rtx4060??? seems a good deal $3400

 

Buy the ASUS Vivobook Pro K6604JV-MX063W 16" 3.2K 120Hz OLED Laptop --Intel i9... ( K6604JV-MX063W ) online - PBTech.co.nz

 

I like that Nvidia have gone back to being able to just switch the GPU to IGP on and off when YOU want. I like that feature.

 

Looks like the camera and mic have ai on them, having used external ai just on my mobile its insane how good it can make an ordinary mic sound, like you have a podcast type mic attached. Will have to go have a look to check that out.

 

Still sucks no backit keys. Is there such a thing as a neon key overlay?


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  #3115751 14-Aug-2023 16:03
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im going to get one of these 

 

 

 

https://www.justlaptops.co.nz/asus-tuf-gaming-a16-advantage-fa617xs-16-fhd-100-srgb-165hz-amd-ryzen9-7940hs-32gb-ddr5-1tb-2xgen4-radeon-rx7600s-8g-hdmi2-1-usb4-90whrbtry-cam-win11-18669?search=FA617XS&category_id=60&sub_category=true&sort=p.price&order=ASC

 

 

 

I was after

 

  • 16:10
  • USB-C PD/DP
  • Light gaming (cs:go at 5120:1440)
  • lots of ram
  • decent storage
  • backlit
  • not too heavy

It was real hard finding something with usb-c pd/dp that didnt need a barrel jack for power, most nvidia (maybe all?) needed more than 100w for usb-c so could only do integrated graphics over usb-c.  

 

What i also found difficult, is theres no decent place to put in the specs that are useful to you and find the perfect laptop.   I've been email jsutlaptops back and forth trying to find one.

 

The only thing its missing is OLED.   I have a vivobook with OLED and its pretty, but 16:9 and no backlit and cant game to save itself.

 

 


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  #3115754 14-Aug-2023 16:17
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reven:

 

im going to get one of these 

 

 

 

https://www.justlaptops.co.nz/asus-tuf-gaming-a16-advantage-fa617xs-16-fhd-100-srgb-165hz-amd-ryzen9-7940hs-32gb-ddr5-1tb-2xgen4-radeon-rx7600s-8g-hdmi2-1-usb4-90whrbtry-cam-win11-18669?search=FA617XS&category_id=60&sub_category=true&sort=p.price&order=ASC

 

 

 

 

Same model I started with. Maybe consider the MSI Katana 17 its $2500 for the 4700 gpu model. But 16:10 is a big reason I want the vivobook/probook 16 over the 14. More vertical room.

Check out this 24core Oled 4600gpu, its a jump up in price but its the GPU level im looking for.

 

 

I like that Nvidia have gone back to being able to just switch the GPU to IGP on and off when YOU want. I like that feature.

 

 

 

Looks like the camera and mic have ai on them, having used external ai just on my mobile its insane how good it can make an ordinary mic sound, like you have a podcast type mic attached. Will have to go have a look to check that out.

 

 

 

Still sucks no backit keys. Is there such a thing as a neon key overlay?rte

 

 

 

 

 

Buy the ASUS Vivobook Pro K6604JV-MX063W 16" 3.2K 120Hz OLED Laptop --Intel i9... ( K6604JV-MX063W ) online - PBTech.co.nz

 

 

 

I like that Nvidia have gone back to being able to just switch the GPU to IGP on and off when YOU want. I like that feature.

 

 

 

Looks like the camera and mic have ai on them, having used external ai just on my mobile its insane how good it can make an ordinary mic sound, like you have a podcast type mic attached. Will have to go have a look to check that out.

 

 

 

Still sucks no backit keys. Is there such a thing as a neon key overlay?

 


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  #3115756 14-Aug-2023 16:20
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Some subtle interesting specs on it, like the ai noise cancelling etc, which in my experience has been awesome.

Similar specs to the TUF in a lot of ways too. I just need some kind of neon keyboard cover.....

Buy the ASUS Vivobook Pro K6604JV-MX063W 16" 3.2K 120Hz OLED Laptop --Intel i9... ( K6604JV-MX063W ) online - PBTech.co.nz

 

  • Windows 11 Home
    - ASUS IceCool Pro thermal technology
    - Core™ i9-13980HX Intel processor
    - RTX™ 4060 NVIDIA Laptop GPU
    - Up to 150 W CPU+GPU TDP
    - 1 TB PCIe®4.0 X4 SSD
    - 32 GB DDR5 4800 MHz memory
    - Up to WiFi 6E 802.11ax

 

 

Those are the base specs, good 32GB ram, but crappy windows home.

 

Hold on, it says backlit chicklet KB.......


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Couldn't find a MSI Katana 17 with 16:10.  The pbtech one was 1920x1080, and said usb-c PD/DP, but 4000 series GPU, that probably means it uses integrated graphics over that port, unless you also use barrel jack power?

 

My laptop wont be my primary gaming machine, i have a steam deck and decent gaming pc hooked up to a tv.  I just play CS:GO end of day fridays with my work mates, so I just need to handle that.   

 

 

 

But its so hard finding the right laptop.


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Couldn't find a MSI Katana 17 with 16:10.  The pbtech one was 1920x1080, and said usb-c PD/DP, but 4000 series GPU, that probably means it uses integrated graphics over that port, unless you also use barrel jack power?

 

My laptop wont be my primary gaming machine, i have a steam deck and decent gaming pc hooked up to a tv.  I just play CS:GO end of day fridays with my work mates, so I just need to handle that.   

 

 

 

But its so hard finding the right laptop.

 

 

Gotcha. Katana good gaming value but thats it.

This i9 24core Vivobook with the 4600 gpu is $2k less than the probook with its 4700 gpu. Seems way better value for me.

 

I still get the OLED, I get one of the best laptop GPUs, 32GB ram, 4600 GPU, 16:10 and it does have backlit keys. $3400 seems a deal. although that 14 vivobook with the 4500 gpu for $1600 thats a bargain too.

 

I think asus is owning the market again


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