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Topic # 4487 26-Jul-2005 12:45
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how do iTunes get the songs they have onto their computer and then onto the internet?

i wanna start up a business like iTunes, but i have no idea how to get the tracks off the CD and into my online store LEGALLY?

how do all these online music download stores do it?

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Reply # 17071 26-Jul-2005 12:55
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They have contracts with the recording studios and distributors. A local experience is Digirama.






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  Reply # 17072 26-Jul-2005 14:57
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I bought music from Digirama. It took them 5 days to process my bank payment (which means a 5 day wait between payment and downloading), the selection of music was pretty bad (found 10 songs i wanted - had planned to buy around 100), and I ended up with DRMed stuff that i had to burn to CD then rip back into the PC to be able to play in my choice of music player.

As soon as iTunes launches here, they will get a lot of business from me (probably $500 in the first month or two and around $10 - $20 a month thereafter.

I dont use Kazaa or any other P2P, the bulk of my music is ripped directly from CD.

I have in the past used P2P music 'services', but the software has been buggy, spyware/adware ridden, or other problems.

Hurry up Apple - we are getting impatient!!




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Reply # 17073 26-Jul-2005 15:24
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I wouldn't hold your breath for iTunes, rumour has it they won't be in NZ until next year. And hey I wouldn't complain about bank payment processing, i doubt iTunes will even offer a bank payment option. I like digirama, a friend of mine has heard that they'll be getting heaps more tracks in the next month or so, bring it on.

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  Reply # 17074 26-Jul-2005 15:27
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i dont mind paying by credit card. (prefer it actually - far easier). Digirama claims just over 70,000 tracks, and there seems to be more there today than last time i went.

I have already added 15 songs to my basket.

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  Reply # 17075 26-Jul-2005 16:34
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plain mp3, with no DRM anywhere - check out:
http://amplifier.co.nz
http://tunetribe.com
http://emusic.com

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Reply # 17076 26-Jul-2005 18:02
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yeah that's nice, but it's all independant music, not mainstream.

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Reply # 17086 26-Jul-2005 19:57
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I tried Digirama a while ago and it told me that it's not compatible with my system, so I've written them off.

I don't know where the rumour about the iTunes music store arriving next year came from. We very nearly got it back in April, because it was confirmed that country flags and AU/NZ specific error messages were loaded into Apple's system, but apparently one of the major record companies threw a spanner in the works by pulling the plug on their contract at the last minute.

Of course, it's hard to tell how long it might take for Apple to reach a settlement with the hold-out record company. It could take a couple of weeks, or it could take a couple of years.

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  Reply # 17158 28-Jul-2005 09:24
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mainstream just means signed by a major record label.
broaden your horizons!

tunetribe have a pretty good back catalogue of crud mainstream music.

as for digirama - they offer M$ drm-ed wma. you can play then on your windows PC, and maybe on your portable if it's a compatible player. In 3 years when you have a new version of windows or a new protable player, you can't play the stuff you purchased anymore. For me, drm is not worth buying to only be able to play the purchased music for a short while.

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  Reply # 17159 28-Jul-2005 09:31
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you can burn music from digirama to CD

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  Reply # 17161 28-Jul-2005 10:01
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gmeister_99: you can burn music from digirama to CD

yup.. but you'll need to find windoze XP to do this with.

it all begs the question, why have this silly drm restriction in the first place? it can all be circumvented.

Why can't they stop treating their customers like thieves and just get back to selling music. afterall, the folks who go to digirama to buy their music are the people who choose not to just download from P2P.

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  Reply # 17170 28-Jul-2005 11:50
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taniwha: it all begs the question, why have this silly drm restriction in the first place? it can all be circumvented.

Why can't they stop treating their customers like thieves and just get back to selling music. afterall, the folks who go to digirama to buy their music are the people who choose not to just download from P2P.

Yes. Its silly. And the issue with burning the drm stuff to cd is that i lose the track title / artist name etc, and have to type them in manually. Which makes me unhappy and less likely to buy stuff.

I selected a lot of music from digirama the other night, but then gave up in disgust when the website kept booting me out while I was trying to finalise the sale.

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  Reply # 17171 28-Jul-2005 11:57
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were you using firefox?, i've noticed it doesn't seem to like that browser when proceeding to the checkout.

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  Reply # 17172 28-Jul-2005 12:01
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Maybe. I might have another go later tonight. Hopefully it saved my cart...

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Reply # 17220 29-Jul-2005 01:07
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Avoid DRM like the plague, a story goes,..

I decided to go onto the net and download some legitamate songs,.. all good.
Hmmm how do I get these onto my player? I load the .wma files on, no go. player is capable.
Discover the horror of DRM, Figure out that I have to burn to CD then rip it back into my computer!!!!! what a hassle!!!! a back to the trust P2P to redownload what I just purchased. C'mon music companies, get it sorted or to make it easy i'll just PIRATE them!

then my windoze installation crashed, all that pirated stuff was fine, the DRM wma's are now useless.

I use AMPLIFIER http://amplifier.co.nz for what I can get and PAY for, , I'll buy CD's to "burn" at $15 and certainly do at that price, but not at $34.95. I'm forced to P2P the rest

As for the ipod itself, I skip itunes altogether. I use Winamp 5.0 and an ipod updater from www.mlipod.com/index.php

http://amplifier.co.nz


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  Reply # 17237 29-Jul-2005 10:35
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i use emusic more than amplifier. emusic works out at NZ0.40c per track. amplifier is $2 per track.

The easiest way to get music: (eg pitchfork.com)
Find a free music site, download music, copy to your player.

The 2nd: (eg emusic.com)
subscribe to a music site (enter credit card) preview some music, download whatever you want , copy to your player

3rd easiest: (eg amplifier.co.nz)
preview some music, choose several you want (totalling more than $5, no DRM) go checkout, enter credit cars, download, copy to your player

4th easiest method:
start your P2P software, search, find (if you're lucky), no DRM, wait for the download (might take several days to download), copy to your player

the worst method: (eg digirama)
preview, choose several you want, go checkout, enter credit card, download, wait while it burns to CD, wait while it rips back as mp3/ogg, copy to your player.


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