Will normal people/users ever see near 100ms pings to North America?

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#751174 26-Jan-2013 14:34

150ms is entirely possible. Just doing some tests now I'm getting 145ms to a server in Los Angeles from Auckland.

Los Angeles isn't "North America" though, just as Auckland isn't New Zealand. Latency across the US has to be added to this if your server isn't in Los Angeles, and if you're outside Auckland you have to add in transit to Auckland first. You also need to add your last mile latency, which will vary between 0ms and 16ms depending on your interleaving configuration.

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#751186 26-Jan-2013 14:53

sbiddle: 150ms is entirely possible. Just doing some tests now I'm getting 145ms to a server in Los Angeles from Auckland.

Los Angeles isn't "North America" though, just as Auckland isn't New Zealand. Latency across the US has to be added to this if your server isn't in Los Angeles, and if you're outside Auckland you have to add in transit to Auckland first. You also need to add your last mile latency, which will vary between 0ms and 16ms depending on your interleaving configuration.

Well..when you consider I get 280ms to LA via Telecoms route and 240ms via my vpn...someone is giving me a poorer ping (I can only conclude Telecom doesn't think my ping is important enough to me and gives me a sub par ping). What would you prefer while gaming on a server in LA 280ms or 145ms. And then you can add to the 280ms ping to the interior of US if you want. Heck 180ms is still far better than the punishing unplayable 280ms ping. LA isn't all of NA...but its a good toe hold to being able to game in NA playing arena.

I am hoping when this colken? colklin? box gets replaced later this 2013. I won't be expecting a better ping but I sure as hell will be hoping for one.

As a side note...I can only figure that pings will eventually get even better over the years as equipment gets upgraded and faster at routing etc. Eventually they will hit a speed wall otherwise known as physics.

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#751188 26-Jan-2013 14:57

Well, if you are connected to a conklin then there isn't much Telecom can do, as Chorus is the company behind the network infrastructure.

Also switching ISP won't make the conklin disappear.

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#751189 26-Jan-2013 15:01

Firstly, it's not a conspiracy with Telecom giving you a poorer ping. By going through a VPN, the traffic will take a completely different route, through different upstream providers, of course there will be fluctuation and differences.

Secondly, Conklin. That is important information that you should have included in your first post. There are significant congestion issues with this technology, so it's not surprising you have issues.

Can you post a traceroute to the gaming server at a time when you are having a problem - that will tell us where the problem may be.

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#751192 26-Jan-2013 15:07

RunningMan: Secondly, Conklin. That is important information that you should have included in your first post. There are significant congestion issues with this technology, so it's not surprising you have issues.

I hope the next bit of information left out is not "I am testing this over WiFi".

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#751193 26-Jan-2013 15:11

RunningMan: Firstly, it's not a conspiracy with Telecom giving you a poorer ping. By going through a VPN, the traffic will take a completely different route, through different upstream providers, of course there will be fluctuation and differences.

Secondly, Conklin. That is important information that you should have included in your first post. There are significant congestion issues with this technology, so it's not surprising you have issues.

Can you post a traceroute to the gaming server at a time when you are having a problem - that will tell us where the problem may be.

Exactly, from where to where make a big difference.. the route your packets take will depend on the ISP's upstream provider and their connectivity.. also the route back can be completely different too as it depends on the servers upstream provider and connectivity.

bradstewart: I used to play WoW with a tunneling service and would get in the range of 155-165ms to LA from Dunedin.

I have never seen my ping lower than that to a US server.

Yeah a ssh tunnel can be used to achieve both a different route to a server and also disable some TCP features gaming doesn't need like naggle algorithm etc.

You can disable naggle on windows via registry but then that affects everything, you normally want it on for higher download speeds and off for gaming so using a ssh tunnel is the best option.

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#751194 26-Jan-2013 15:12

It might also help telling us where you are. If you're on a Conklin in rural Southland you're already a long way from the rest of NZ, let alone the US.

Since you're on a Conklin you'll find pings higher as the upstream on the last couple I'd looked at was pretty much saturated all the time, which obviously affects downstream traffic.

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#751197 26-Jan-2013 15:21

Anyway long story short, right now the best way to eek out a little lower ping is too use a gaming tunnel service like one of these:

http://pingzapper.com/

http://www.pingbetter.com/

There are many others but these are run by kiwi's or aussies.

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#751198 26-Jan-2013 15:21

Well to be honest...I just always thought 280ms ping was normal for NZ to LA (especially since im just outside of that terrible place called Dargaville). I knew the Conklin was the root of my cap max dl limit...didn't think it would be the sob part to cause crap pings too.

Wifi..good one :)

Tracing route to 199.107.24.252 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 2 50 ms 51 ms 49 ms 122-61-24-4.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [122.61.24.4]
3 106 ms 85 ms 72 ms 122-61-24-1.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [122.61.24.1]
4 * 50 ms 50 ms mdr-ip20e-int.msc.global-gateway.net.nz [202.37.
244.222]
5 80 ms 49 ms 49 ms ae4-10.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.37.244.2
21]
6 50 ms 50 ms 65 ms xe3-1-0.tkbr9.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.
74]
7 200 ms 229 ms 210 ms xe7-0-0.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.
18]
8 174 ms 209 ms 173 ms ae0-3.lebr6.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.86
]
9 177 ms 174 ms 175 ms xe-0-3-0-12.r01.lsanca19.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [198.
172.90.97]
10 205 ms 206 ms 178 ms xe-0-3-0-12.r01.lsanca19.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [198.
172.90.97]
11 210 ms 209 ms 209 ms ae-1.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.2
40]
12 228 ms * 229 ms ae-0.att.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.9.6
]
13 336 ms 327 ms 336 ms cr2.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.129.234]
14 300 ms 295 ms 342 ms cr2.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.129.234]
15 325 ms 327 ms 323 ms cr2.dvmco.ip.att.net [12.122.30.26]
16 334 ms 335 ms 350 ms cr2.dvmco.ip.att.net [12.122.30.26]
17 324 ms 322 ms 334 ms cr1.cl2oh.ip.att.net [12.122.2.206]
18 328 ms 331 ms 331 ms cr2.cl2oh.ip.att.net [12.122.2.126]
19 322 ms 331 ms 331 ms cr2.phlpa.ip.att.net [12.122.2.210]
20 303 ms 355 ms 305 ms gar1.pitpa.ip.att.net [12.122.107.85]
21 324 ms 328 ms 325 ms 12.122.251.2
22 331 ms 333 ms 327 ms 12-122-254-242.attens.net [12.122.254.242]
23 338 ms 339 ms 331 ms mdf001c7613r0004-gig-12-1.nyc3.attens.net [63.24
0.65.14]
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.

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#751200 26-Jan-2013 15:26

That looks like a tracert to a wow server... trust me go trial one of the ping lowering services I listed in my previous post and you will get much better in game latency.

If you care about the tech stuff it's to do with TCP/IP based games, delayed ACK's and naggle algorithm...

Edit: Just noticed that ip is a east cost US server... Data has to traverse from NZ > West cost US then across US to east...

The only way to get <180ms is to play on a west cost hosted server (LA data center) and use one of the ping lowering ssh tunnels.

Here's the relam list by data center.. look into transferring to one in the LA data center imo
http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter

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#751207 26-Jan-2013 15:36

Ragnor: That looks like a tracert to a wow server... trust me go trial one of the ping lowering services I listed in my previous post and you will get much better in game latency.

If you care about the tech stuff it's to do with TCP/IP based games, delayed ACK's and naggle algorithm...

Edit: Just noticed that ip is a east cost US server... Data has to traverse from NZ > West cost US then across US to east.

Transferring to a server hosted in LA would be advisable imo!
http://www.wowwiki.com/US_realm_list_by_datacenter

Thanks but I don't actually play wow, just need to trace something in NA. I am aware the further away from west coast worse ping will be automatically.

Hoping someone can say why it jumps from 50 or 60ms area to 200ms+ after...from the 6th to 7th hop? Is this due to the Conklin?

6 50 ms 50 ms 65 ms xe3-1-0.tkbr9.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.
74]
7 200 ms 229 ms 210 ms xe7-0-0.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.
18]
8 174 ms 209 ms 173 ms ae0-3.lebr6.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.86
]
9 177 ms 174 ms 175 ms xe-0-3-0-12.r01.lsanca19.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [198.
172.90.97]
10 205 ms 206 ms 178 ms xe-0-3-0-12.r01.lsanca19.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [198.
172.90.97]
11 210 ms 209 ms 209 ms ae-1.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.2

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#751208 26-Jan-2013 15:37

Hope 6 in in NZ and hop 7 is west coast US (LA, San Jose area)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Cross_Cable

It's like 15,000 KM's of fibre from NZ to US!

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#751210 26-Jan-2013 15:41

Ragnor: Hope 6 in in NZ and hop 7 is west coast US (LA, San Jose area)

So why is my ping higher vs what some other are reporting they achieve? Wouldn't the data be following the same route till it hits west coast? Be better if I could trace the ip people in thread others are tracing. Could someone provide the ip they used?

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#751223 26-Jan-2013 16:18

I am getting consistant pings to LA from Melbourne in the 160ms range. That is over wireless in my house, then via my DSL connection (which has average sync - 2.5kms from DSLAM)

The lowest I can get to NYC is about 260ms

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#751251 26-Jan-2013 17:52

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