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  Reply # 788072 27-Mar-2013 16:13
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naggyman:
joker97:
I'd hate unlimited plans ... The data leechers would stuff up any good speed left in the bandwidthnand normal users like everyone else would be worse off ...


I hate this viewpoint as it is just wrong. The way that TCP/IP works it just isn't true. In New Zealand the issue is that the unlimited people are on a separate bandwith pool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyuIiG4c4Go
Watch this!!!!


That explanation is massivley oversimplified, but correct in one respect.  Each TCP *stream* roughly gets the same amount of bandwidth on a congested network.  So the user with a torrent running 50 tcp streams gets significantly more BW than your single stream video feed. So the torrent comes down (eventually) but your video is unwatchable.  In other words, in a world of torrents and multi-threaded downloaders, that explanation is rubbish.

TCP isn't a magic network sharing fairy, and was never designed as such.


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  Reply # 788086 27-Mar-2013 16:31
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Lias: On the face it I'm bitterly dissapointed. Did not want to see any data capped plans coming out today.

Should have been the new go large/bigtime, either undercutting Orcon/Slingshot/etc uncapped plan pricing or offering better guaranteed better service at the same pricepoint.


I'd hate unlimited plans ... The data leechers would stuff up any good speed left in the bandwidthnand normal users like everyone else would be worse off ...


I second that - I remember when 'Go Large' was launched where the majority used the 'freedom' responsibility but then we had freeloading parasites who were chewing through 500GB+ per month thus screwing the whole idea for the rest of us. IMHO I'd sooner have higher caps at reasonable prices with performance that is consistent than being promised unlimited downloads whilst a handful of data-vampires in New Zealand ruin it for the vast majority - yes, it seems that in life there is always a small handful of people who screw it up for everyone else. Dare I say it, this is the reason why we can't have nice things.




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  Reply # 788089 27-Mar-2013 16:37
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You get what you pay for Gents pure and simple, unfortunately some have tried to set the bar far to low for the actual cost of the network, but I agree with Neils last comments around the economics and sad to say hes right by effectively racing to 0, which you as customers think is alright will come at a price and that may be a compromise of service... but you get what you pay for and cheap is not always best . Best analogy I think is if you "buy a Ford for $60 bucks" and you will get a some times okay service but "buy a Holden SSV for 80 bucks" and get a superb experience ... I know I have just annoyed 10% of New Zealanders that actually like Fords

I would have to add that it is very surprising to see no full service from Telecom and one will have to ask are they struggling in the new age world and a transition to a residential / SBU IP offering, People where actually hanging out to see what the big players would bring to UFB but a lack of a voice offering shows that in fact what you may see is that the capabilities of a full service UFB can be better delivered by smaller players.

I'm ex Telecom and took great pride in working for Telecom Mobile before I went to WxC, but looking at what Theresa Gattung has left as a legacy with a turn key solution provider with ALU I have to say looking at whats happening and then to see an offering like this that almost seems desperate I have to ask are they hamstrung by the technology partners ?,

Make no mistake I have a great deal of time for a number of people within Telecom and there are some good people there but has the top down decisions consigned Telecom to a follow the leader role in this new IP world.

Nothing personal Neil you are one of those I have a great deal of time for :)








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  Reply # 788097 27-Mar-2013 16:53
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Lizard1977: I have a question for tomorrow's chat - Will Telecom add $10 to the plan prices for provincial areas like they currently do for ADSL plans?

The media release implies "no":

"Telecom CEO Retail Chris Quin says UFB is a national roll-out so it’s appropriate to have national pricing."


That's a shame, so I end up propping up the unprofitables just like the burden on urban PSTN users for an eternity till recently.




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  Reply # 788107 27-Mar-2013 17:00
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Behodar:
Lizard1977: I have a question for tomorrow's chat - Will Telecom add $10 to the plan prices for provincial areas like they currently do for ADSL plans?

The media release implies "no":

"Telecom CEO Retail Chris Quin says UFB is a national roll-out so it’s appropriate to have national pricing."


That's a shame, so I end up propping up the unprofitables just like the burden on urban PSTN users for an eternity till recently.


Actually I think they will be subsiding you with these plans especailly since they are having to also supply a copper line as well for Voice services.




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  Reply # 788118 27-Mar-2013 17:12
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Behodar:
Lizard1977: I have a question for tomorrow's chat - Will Telecom add $10 to the plan prices for provincial areas like they currently do for ADSL plans?

The media release implies "no":

"Telecom CEO Retail Chris Quin says UFB is a national roll-out so it’s appropriate to have national pricing."


That's a shame, so I end up propping up the unprofitables just like the burden on urban PSTN users for an eternity till recently.


Not for Telecom at least, since the price they pay for UFB is the same regardless of where in the country it is.

The subsidising effect comes into play at the chorus level (or rather the regulator who has required the cost to be the same for everybody)

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  Reply # 788142 27-Mar-2013 17:54
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$95 is a great price for the entry level plan. I can't believe the attitude of some people on this thread...

Am very disappointed they won't be rolling out a VoIP service with it though. Kind of defeats the purpose a little. Going to be very interesting in certain installs where the copper may just have to be removed to get the fibre in. I guess they would have to re-trench.

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  Reply # 788148 27-Mar-2013 17:58
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chevrolux: $95 is a great price for the entry level plan.

I agree. I'm currently paying $80 GB for voice + broadband, then 30c/GB, which works out to $95 for 50 GB - so I could move to fibre for the same price. The 150 GB plan is even better value.

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  Reply # 788153 27-Mar-2013 18:08
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wellygary: Schools are on this sheet
http://www.chorus.co.nz/file/11536/UFB-and-RBI-Schools-Rollout-Schedule-data-as-at-13-March-2013.xls


Huh - they've got Beach Haven school down as June 2013. Well, hopefully while they're up the road they'll run some fibre down this way! I'd imagine we'll be signing up as soon as it's available.

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  Reply # 788156 27-Mar-2013 18:11
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Behodar:
chevrolux: $95 is a great price for the entry level plan.

I agree. I'm currently paying $80 GB for voice + broadband, then 30c/GB, which works out to $95 for 50 GB - so I could move to fibre for the same price. The 150 GB plan is even better value.

From my understanding you would still need to pay an extra $45 for the phone line rental for Telecom so $140/month. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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  Reply # 788161 27-Mar-2013 18:17
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Behodar:
chevrolux: $95 is a great price for the entry level plan.

I agree. I'm currently paying $80 GB for voice + broadband, then 30c/GB, which works out to $95 for 50 GB - so I could move to fibre for the same price. The 150 GB plan is even better value.

From my understanding you would still need to pay an extra $45 for the phone line rental for Telecom so $140/month. Correct me if I'm wrong.

No that's wrong. From the press release "12 month contracts for both plans include: · Landline rental..."

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  Reply # 788164 27-Mar-2013 18:19
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DarkShadow: No that's wrong. From the press release "12 month contracts for both plans include: · Landline rental..."

Backing this up, "our pricing will appeal to customers given that they will enjoy the same amount of data, with all the added benefits of UFB, for the same or not much more than they pay for their existing broadband plan."

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  Reply # 788165 27-Mar-2013 18:24
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chevrolux: $95 is a great price for the entry level plan. I can't believe the attitude of some people on this thread...

Am very disappointed they won't be rolling out a VoIP service with it though. Kind of defeats the purpose a little. Going to be very interesting in certain installs where the copper may just have to be removed to get the fibre in. I guess they would have to re-trench.


Sadly not everyone can appreciate value, they only have their eyes set on the total cost of their internet bill and won't stop complaining until it's free, or at least on par with Australia or the UK etc.

$95 is actually pretty good value compared to what people have been paying, and I'm sure they'll adjust that price as the market dictates over the next 12 months, and will hopefully by then have more services to offer (Voice, TV etc)

There is no point in going in and undercutting the market, other next thing they'll be making comments like the new CEO of Orcon/Kordia did the other day when he complained about the low margins in providing internet access.

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  Reply # 788172 27-Mar-2013 18:36
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Excellent Speeds: CHECK
Excellent Reliability: CHECK
Excellent Price: CHECK

Completely unrealisitic Data Cap: FAIL

Good try Telecom :(

I have ADSL2+ at 18Mb down and 1.2Mb up on a 150Gb plan for $105 pm, where is the incentive?

50GB datacap? Come on, I can go through that in 24 hours, just downloading 3 Origin/Steam games. 

Your pushing the fact that you can have streaming TV, Streaming Radio, VOIP, Full Video chat, Online gameplay, etc etc, but present an absolutely useless datacap that means yes you can do all that for about 5 days then turn your modem off so you don't go above your datacap.

You want my money? start providing something that is actually useful.




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  Reply # 788175 27-Mar-2013 18:37
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crazed: Excellent Speeds: CHECK
Excellent Reliability: CHECK
Excellent Price: CHECK

Completely unrealisitic Data Cap: FAIL

Good try Telecom :(

I have ADSL2+ at 18Mb down and 1.2Mb up on a 150Gb plan for $105 pm, where is the incentive?

50GB datacap? Come on, I can go through that in 24 hours, just downloading 3 Origin/Steam games.


That would be a completely valid concern if 50G was the only datacap offered.

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