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  #823559 22-May-2013 14:21
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Axeman480: Everyone on ADSL2 with 10Mbits or higher that are in line to get fibre can just wait , everyone on the old ADSL should get VDSL2 from chorus until many years later when fibre is rolled out to everyone or 4G-5G. Been on ADSL since 2004 with 3Mbit max during off peak times (crappy Conklin mini dslam) on a line attenuation of 5.0 dB down. Pretty sure I am well overdue for VDSL , so yeah VDSL2 should be reserved for areas where fibre won't be rolled out till the next decade. What is the point of installing VDSL in areas where fibre is or will be laid? It's a waste of time and money!

VDSL2 only works with people who have 10Mbits sync or higher anyway. 10 is a stretch for good VDSL2 performance. VDSL2 performance can vary heavily on lines that might look otherwise similar for ADSL2+ statistics. See sbiddles's latest blog posts for information on this. I'd wager if your line syncs below 14-15 megabit on ADSL2+ you probably wont get decent VDSL2 at all unless the line is fault free. In that case you'd probably only see a boost to your upload speed, not download.

VDSL would only work for you if your conklin was upgraded to a whisper cabinet, which i imagine it wont be unless you're rural and its under the RBI. Even under the RBI i am not sure if all are getting whisper cabinets.

It isn't a waste of money to get VDSL2, chorus already has the equipment in the cabinets and exchanges, there is no (direct install related) cost to them for users getting VDSL2. Users have the cost of installing a master splitter, and a VDSL modem. But thats the user (or the ISP via subsidy on contract) paying, not chorus.

They are doing it with the bet that it will increase peoples demand for Fibre when it becomes available. Get them hooked on fast internet, and then fibre will be able to provide faster again, possibly at higher data caps. This will depend on us having media content available to use it for of course, so the ball is going to be passed into that court and at the moment, Sky will continue to hog said ball.

Yes VDSL2 does compete with fibre, and Chorus is making a risky bet. They do overlap, in fact i can get better VDSL2 performance than an entry level fibre plan. But if fibre was available at my house, would i switch if the monthly cost was the same and/or the data cap was higher? Definitely. Will fibre eventually have better than 30/10 entry level plans? Of course. Can you already get more premium plans of 100/50, and for businesses, even faster again? Yes. Fibre is a long term plan. For now the two closely overlap, but fibre will push VDSL2 out of the way in the future.

IMO the goal should be to get as many people onto the fastest connection they can get in their current situation, not to artificially restrict DSL services just because they want users on fibre.

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  #823564 22-May-2013 14:32
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eXDee:
Axeman480: Everyone on ADSL2 with 10Mbits or higher that are in line to get fibre can just wait , everyone on the old ADSL should get VDSL2 from chorus until many years later when fibre is rolled out to everyone or 4G-5G. Been on ADSL since 2004 with 3Mbit max during off peak times (crappy Conklin mini dslam) on a line attenuation of 5.0 dB down. Pretty sure I am well overdue for VDSL , so yeah VDSL2 should be reserved for areas where fibre won't be rolled out till the next decade. What is the point of installing VDSL in areas where fibre is or will be laid? It's a waste of time and money!

VDSL2 only works with people who have 10Mbits sync or higher anyway. 10 is a stretch for good VDSL2 performance. VDSL2 which performance can vary heavily compared to ADSL2+ on lines that might look otherwise similar. I'd wager your line syncs below 14-15 megabit on ADSL2+ you probably wont get decent VDSL2 at all unless the line is fault free. In that case you'd probably only see a boost to your upload speed.
VDSL would only work for you if your conklin was upgraded to a whisper cabinet, which i imagine it wont be unless you're rural and its under the RBI. Even under the RBI i am not sure if all are getting whisper cabinets.

It isn't a waste of money to get VDSL2, chorus already has the equipment in the cabinets and exchanges, there is no (direct install related) cost to them for users getting VDSL2. Users have the cost of installing a master splitter, and a VDSL modem. But thats the user (or the ISP via subsidy on contract) paying, not chorus.

They are doing it with the bet that it will increase peoples demand for Fibre when it becomes available. Get them hooked on fast internet, and then fibre will be able to provide faster again, possibly at higher data caps. This will depend on us having media content available to use it for of course, so the ball is going to be passed into that court and at the moment, Sky will continue to hog said ball.

Yes VDSL2 does compete with fiber, and Chorus is making a risky bet. They do overlap, in fact i can get better VDSL2 performance than an entry level fibre plan. But if fibre was available at my house, would i switch if the monthly cost was the same and/or the data cap was higher? Definitely. Will fibre eventually have better than 30/10 entry level plans? Of course. Fibre is a long term plan.


Bodes well for me on VDSL2. I get ~20Mbits sync speed currently, approx 450m from the cabinet. Fibre isn't scheduled for rollout in my area until mid-2016...so VDSL2 makes a lot of sense for me.



 
 
 
 


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  #825664 26-May-2013 19:08
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In a change of fortune Telecom have rung me and told me I can have VDSL.  The have scheduled the install for this Thursday - Hooray!

The said they'd send me a VDSL modem to use.  I told them they'd already sent me a VDSL modem and that I didn't need a another one.  Turns out they had no record of sending me the first VDSL modem :-)

Anyway, looking forward to finally getting a decent upload speed.  My current ADSL2 sync rates are 17Mb down and 1Mb up so it'll be interesting to see what it improves to with VDSL.



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  #825667 26-May-2013 19:11
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BigMal: In a change of fortune Telecom have rung me and told me I can have VDSL.  The have scheduled the install for this Thursday - Hooray!

The said they'd send me a VDSL modem to use.  I told them they'd already sent me a VDSL modem and that I didn't need a another one.  Turns out they had no record of sending me the first VDSL modem :-)

Anyway, looking forward to finally getting a decent upload speed.  My current ADSL2 sync rates are 17Mb down and 1Mb up so it'll be interesting to see what it improves to with VDSL.




Nice! No call here...fingers crossed though!

I'll wait till 1 June, although I am a very loyal Telecom customer (home and for my workplace) I will be changing ISPs unless I have a VDSL2 offer by then.

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  #828159 30-May-2013 09:49
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I just got my Telecom VDSL install completed.

The modem DSL connection stats say I'm connected at 40Mb down and 10Mb up.

Speedtest results show 22Mb down and 1Mb up.


Real world results reflect the speed test results, by that I mean real world down speed is happening at around 22Mb and upload is still a miserable 1Mb like ADSL.

This is supposedly the customer trial so hopefully it'll improve.
 

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  #828164 30-May-2013 09:59
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BigMal: Real world results reflect the speed test results, by that I mean real world down speed is happening at around 22Mb and upload is still a miserable 1Mb like ADSL.

This is supposedly the customer trial so hopefully it'll improve.
 


Rep should have told you that it can take a few hours for the new VDSL speed profile to propagate through the Telecom network, keep trying :)

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  #828174 30-May-2013 10:06
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Cymro: 
Rep should have told you that it can take a few hours for the new VDSL speed profile to propagate through the Telecom network, keep trying :)


Good to know, thanks for that.  I'll be using it all day so I'll do frequent tests :-)

 
 
 
 


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  #828182 30-May-2013 10:29
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BigMal: I just got my Telecom VDSL install completed.

The modem DSL connection stats say I'm connected at 40Mb down and 10Mb up.

Speedtest results show 22Mb down and 1Mb up.


Real world results reflect the speed test results, by that I mean real world down speed is happening at around 22Mb and upload is still a miserable 1Mb like ADSL.

This is supposedly the customer trial so hopefully it'll improve.
 


Lucky you getting connected!

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  #828192 30-May-2013 10:45
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Yeah, lucky.

I did not even know they had started to offer it.

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  #828193 30-May-2013 10:47
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Your upstream rate should have increased to the full speed within around 24 hours of your installation being complete. Known defect.




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  #828212 30-May-2013 11:17
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BigMal: I just got my Telecom VDSL install completed.

The modem DSL connection stats say I'm connected at 40Mb down and 10Mb up.

Speedtest results show 22Mb down and 1Mb up.


Real world results reflect the speed test results, by that I mean real world down speed is happening at around 22Mb and upload is still a miserable 1Mb like ADSL.

This is supposedly the customer trial so hopefully it'll improve.
 


Nice to see that worked out for ya! =] as has been said can take a day or so while chorus tune the equipment to get the right mix of stability and speed.

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  #828214 30-May-2013 11:23
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Yyrael: 
Nice to see that worked out for ya! =] as has been said can take a day or so while chorus tune the equipment to get the right mix of stability and speed.


He he thanks and thanks to Peter too.  Anxiously awaiting the jump in upload speed now......

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  #828223 30-May-2013 11:44
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The upload speed issue you are having is nothing to do with the Chorus Dynamic Line Management. As I have said, the upload speeds will increase within 24 hours of the Chorus site visit being complete. Give Telecom a call if you don't see better speeds by this time tomorrow.




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  #828225 30-May-2013 11:45
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Alternatively, PM me with your details.




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  #828232 30-May-2013 11:50
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So they still not offering vdsl to customers who have registered their interest yet? Anyone else had any luck?

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