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  Reply # 851978 9-Jul-2013 21:17
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zena1919: Come on man. I sell DSL modems. $99 represents a profit on their cost of these. .


Quite frankly with a comment like that any credibility you're trying to bring to your posts is lost.

You can't buy a VDSL2 modem for $99 and you quite clearly don't have a clue in the world that those Technicolour's (or infact any of the other VDSL2 routers being supplied by NZ ISP's) cost.





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  Reply # 851980 9-Jul-2013 21:18
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mentalinc: Charging the $99 install/checkup fee sounds fair.

But what happens with the splitter already installed that is being checked?
Does it get removed and a new one put in place?

Happy to pay $99 less cost of splitter which is say $10-15 at the bulk price I assume Chorus buy them at...

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Does this also mean "cowboys" like coffeebaron are out of a job now since Chours will charge the fee regardless?


There is a difference between the splitter in a ADSL ETP and a VDSL one. Apparently the VDSL one has 3 pairs inside not 2 pairs in a ADSL one. need to crawl under the desk with a screw driver to have a look.

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  Reply # 851983 9-Jul-2013 21:22
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zena1919:
mentalinc: Charging the $99 install/checkup fee sounds fair.

But what happens with the splitter already installed that is being checked?
Does it get removed and a new one put in place?

Happy to pay $99 less cost of splitter which is say $10-15 at the bulk price I assume Chorus buy them at...

Edit:
Does this also mean "cowboys" like coffeebaron are out of a job now since Chours will charge the fee regardless?


There is a difference between the splitter in a ADSL ETP and a VDSL one. Apparently the VDSL one has 3 pairs inside not 2 pairs in a ADSL one. need to crawl under the desk with a screw driver to have a look.


They are now one and the same. Chorus haven't installed standard ADSL rated filters (the MM3200's) for ~3 years now, and all the stock that was in the supply chain of the these were sold off pretty cheaply on Trademe by a few people.

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  Reply # 851994 9-Jul-2013 21:27
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zena1919:
mentalinc: Charging the $99 install/checkup fee sounds fair.

But what happens with the splitter already installed that is being checked?
Does it get removed and a new one put in place?

Happy to pay $99 less cost of splitter which is say $10-15 at the bulk price I assume Chorus buy them at...

Edit:
Does this also mean "cowboys" like coffeebaron are out of a job now since Chours will charge the fee regardless?


There is a difference between the splitter in a ADSL ETP and a VDSL one. Apparently the VDSL one has 3 pairs inside not 2 pairs in a ADSL one. need to crawl under the desk with a screw driver to have a look.


They are now one and the same. Chorus haven't installed standard ADSL rated filters (the MM3200's) for ~3 years now, and all the stock that was in the supply chain of the these were sold off pretty cheaply on Trademe by a few people.


Well that a saves me a trip under the desk at least..... So that means my ETP is VDSL ready as is my cat 6 cable so just need to plug in the modem (which will self configure) and pay the $99 and waste half a day waiting for the guy to arrive.... Steve thanks for clarifying that for me.

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  Reply # 851995 9-Jul-2013 21:28
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zena1919: Come on man. I sell DSL modems. $99 represents a profit on their cost of these. RRP is not cost. Other RSPs are supplying modems free and installing for free. Certainly they are subsidising the Chorus visit but so will others.


I think it now comes down to "if you don't like Telecom's pricing, sign up with another ISP".

As the Hon Amy Adams said today in the InternetNZ Nethui keynote, there is enough competition in the market.



I couldn't agree more. If $99 seems a bit steep, shop around. I personally think the value is fine.

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  Reply # 851998 9-Jul-2013 21:29
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ETP is outside anyway, not under your desk.. If it was supposed to be an internal it'd be an ITP!


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  Reply # 852003 9-Jul-2013 21:34
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sbiddle: ETP is outside anyway, not under your desk.. If it was supposed to be an internal it'd be an ITP!




Thanks for that Steve I was in the pub and hadn't brushed up on my terminology as recently defined the TCF recommendations. I normally deal with UFB issues so got my ETPs and ITPs mixed up. I stand corrected my ITP is definitely VDSL compatible as is the cat 6 cable to the modem and the auto configuring Technicolour modem..... Now can I ask you to be honest. Is $99 good value in my scenario? $99 to plug a VDSL modem in and watch it boot up? The point I was trying to make is that one size does not fit all.

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  Reply # 852006 9-Jul-2013 21:37
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zena1919:

800m from an exchange or cabinet is about the limit.




Sorry but you are wrong, I've seen lines out at 900m getting 30Mb+

All depends on the type and quality of the copper in the ground and how many multiples/splits are on the line.

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  Reply # 852018 9-Jul-2013 21:48
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zena1919: 

Thanks for that Steve I was in the pub and hadn't brushed up on my terminology as recently defined the TCF recommendations. I normally deal with UFB issues so got my ETPs and ITPs mixed up. I stand corrected my ITP is definitely VDSL compatible as is the cat 6 cable to the modem and the auto configuring Technicolour modem..... Now can I ask you to be honest. Is $99 good value in my scenario? $99 to plug a VDSL modem in and watch it boot up? The point I was trying to make is that one size does not fit all.


Like NeilR said in a previous post we are not allowing people to do self installs, your wiring seems fine but Chorus will still need to come out to verify it. It's still $99 regardless for a VDSL modem, wiring on a 12mo contract. We are not going to waive the $99 fee for anyone based on what you've said.

1) Cat6 does not go from the ICP to the router, Cat11 does.
2) If you want VDSL from Telecom pay the fee, if you don't want to pay the fee stay on ADSL or look for other options.

This is not the thread to discuss this, like I've already said, if you want to keep discussing this start another thread else don't bring this up again.




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  Reply # 852022 9-Jul-2013 21:51
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zena1919:

800m from an exchange or cabinet is about the limit.




Sorry but you are wrong, I've seen lines out at 900m getting 30Mb+

All depends on the type and quality of the copper in the ground and how many multiples/splits are on the line.


I agree the actual measurement is the attenuation and other things not distance but we need general guidelines and the 800 m mark is the industry accepted measurement. Your copper must have been good at 900m but I wonder what would happen as it ages.

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  Reply # 852025 9-Jul-2013 21:53
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michaelmurfy:
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AKLWestie: The pricing is great. However, Telecom's website has not explicitly said landline is included or not. Also, no information regarding free local calling and the rate for toll calls and mobile calls.


Can someone from telecom please respond


Yes, POTS is included as with all our plans, as for pricing it's our standard phone pricing (see the pricing on our home plans) - we're still working on portions on the website so this will soon be updated. See Here for our rates.


Telecom, please update your website ASAP to detail the charges for toll calls and mobile calls, and free local calling etc.  Need to show my wife about the whole package so that we can make an informed decision.

Thanks!


We're working on it! I got the email from the product team informing me they're adding it to the website now.


This is superb!  I have signed up.

Can't wait...

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  Reply # 852026 9-Jul-2013 21:53
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zena1919: 

Thanks for that Steve I was in the pub and hadn't brushed up on my terminology as recently defined the TCF recommendations. I normally deal with UFB issues so got my ETPs and ITPs mixed up. I stand corrected my ITP is definitely VDSL compatible as is the cat 6 cable to the modem and the auto configuring Technicolour modem..... Now can I ask you to be honest. Is $99 good value in my scenario? $99 to plug a VDSL modem in and watch it boot up? The point I was trying to make is that one size does not fit all.


Like NeilR said in a previous post we are not allowing people to do self installs, your wiring seems fine but Chorus will still need to come out to verify it. It's still $99 regardless for a VDSL modem, wiring on a 12mo contract. We are not going to waive the $99 fee for anyone based on what you've said.

1) Cat6 does not go from the ICP to the router, Cat11 does.
2) If you want VDSL from Telecom pay the fee, if you don't want to pay the fee stay on ADSL or look for other options.

This is not the thread to discuss this, like I've already said, if you want to keep discussing this start another thread else don't bring this up again.


Is this Greek zone or a telecom New Zealand internal blog?

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  Reply # 852032 9-Jul-2013 21:59
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Wheelbarrow01:
GregV: Confirmation email just received. Ordered online yesterday @ 2pm. They must be busy!
Perfect timing too, as I have some Annual Leave coming up!


Sorry about the delay Greg - and everyone else who is still waiting for confirmation. The teams at Telecom and Chorus Provisioning are working hard to get all orders fulfilled as quickly as possible.

Typo in the confirmation email, with the link to the vdsl page missing the 2nd 'b' in 'broadband':

We recommend you check out the Telecom website for our section on “Getting Ultra VDSL at your place". This may answer any questions you have but also will highlight the things you might like to consider before your installation day. www.telecom.co.nz/internet/ultrabroadand/ultravdsl/

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  Reply # 852033 9-Jul-2013 22:00
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I smell a ban

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  Reply # 852034 9-Jul-2013 22:00
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Zena, there's nothing more to say on the topic. You feel that that you're not getting good value for you $99. Understood. Let's move on. :)




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