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  Reply # 868670 30-Jul-2013 16:19
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Talkiet:
Kirdog:[snip]

I can see that around 60% of Auckland covered by VDSL. But other 40% cant get it. 

There is no upgrades for Annex-M needed i think, because this technology was introduced and included in ADSL2 and ADSL2+. DSLAM have settings for each connection: like interleaving, modulation and etc, this settings can be changed remotely in 5 min. I have old cheapest router somewhere, it's support annex M.  

I think it is all locked on marketing level, and upload speed capping politics....


Not true. There's a cost. It may not be a cost in going to install a new card in each DSLAM that they may want to provision from, but there are costs in (at least) developing and offering the option.

It is NOT anything to do with your made up "upload speed capping politics"...

Cheers - N






Hm. 

If i will cover cost for this card + installation cost. And after this enable annexM for me, is it possible? 


In my home country, we have nice politic from ISPs: 
For example:
If you want new line, do it yourself, and we will connect it.
If you want VDSL2, buy VDSL2 DSLAM, bring it to us, we will connect it. 
If you want - pay. 

Thanks for your help by the way :)





Sorry about my English guys :>

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  Reply # 868672 30-Jul-2013 16:21
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Kirdog:
Talkiet:
Kirdog:[snip]

I can see that around 60% of Auckland covered by VDSL. But other 40% cant get it. 

There is no upgrades for Annex-M needed i think, because this technology was introduced and included in ADSL2 and ADSL2+. DSLAM have settings for each connection: like interleaving, modulation and etc, this settings can be changed remotely in 5 min. I have old cheapest router somewhere, it's support annex M.  

I think it is all locked on marketing level, and upload speed capping politics....


Not true. There's a cost. It may not be a cost in going to install a new card in each DSLAM that they may want to provision from, but there are costs in (at least) developing and offering the option.

It is NOT anything to do with your made up "upload speed capping politics"...

Cheers - N






Hm. 

If i will cover cost for this card + installation cost. And after this enable annexM for me, is it possible? 


In my home country, we have nice politic from ISPs: 
For example:
If you want new line, do it yourself, and we will connect it.
If you want VDSL2, buy VDSL2 DSLAM, bring it to us, we will connect it. 
If you want - pay. 

Thanks for your help by the way :)



No, I'm afraid not. It's 100% certain that even if you cover the cost of the card and installation cost that Chorus won't deploy Annex M for you.

It would without a doubt be cheaper for you to run commercial fibre to your premises than fund the Annex M deployment.

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 868675 30-Jul-2013 16:24
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If you want new line, do it yourself, and we will connect it.
If you want VDSL2, buy VDSL2 DSLAM, bring it to us, we will connect it.
If you want - pay.


Sounds like a recipe for disaster, I think I will stay with our style of order, even if it does take a little longer to roll.

Cheers
Cyril

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  Reply # 868676 30-Jul-2013 16:24
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Talkiet:
Kirdog:
Talkiet:
Kirdog:[snip]

I can see that around 60% of Auckland covered by VDSL. But other 40% cant get it. 

There is no upgrades for Annex-M needed i think, because this technology was introduced and included in ADSL2 and ADSL2+. DSLAM have settings for each connection: like interleaving, modulation and etc, this settings can be changed remotely in 5 min. I have old cheapest router somewhere, it's support annex M.  

I think it is all locked on marketing level, and upload speed capping politics....


Not true. There's a cost. It may not be a cost in going to install a new card in each DSLAM that they may want to provision from, but there are costs in (at least) developing and offering the option.

It is NOT anything to do with your made up "upload speed capping politics"...

Cheers - N






Hm. 

If i will cover cost for this card + installation cost. And after this enable annexM for me, is it possible? 


In my home country, we have nice politic from ISPs: 
For example:
If you want new line, do it yourself, and we will connect it.
If you want VDSL2, buy VDSL2 DSLAM, bring it to us, we will connect it. 
If you want - pay. 

Thanks for your help by the way :)



No, I'm afraid not. It's 100% certain that even if you cover the cost of the card and installation cost that Chorus won't deploy Annex M for you.

It would without a doubt be cheaper for you to run commercial fibre to your premises than fund the Annex M deployment.

Cheers - N



O_o cheaper to run cable? oh i think to run cable cost around 20k+  (there is no logic for me >.<)

O_O




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  Reply # 868678 30-Jul-2013 16:27
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O_o cheaper to run cable? oh i think to run cable cost around 20k+  (there is no logic for me >.<)

O_O


And the costs to actually deploy Annex M would exceed that for sure.

Cheers _ N


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  Reply # 868683 30-Jul-2013 16:32
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cyril7:
If you want new line, do it yourself, and we will connect it.
If you want VDSL2, buy VDSL2 DSLAM, bring it to us, we will connect it.
If you want - pay.


Sounds like a recipe for disaster, I think I will stay with our style of order, even if it does take a little longer to roll.

Cheers
Cyril


Agree, but of course if you want to do anything, you need to talk to network engineer first, and if you will buy suitable devices and do everything with ISP rules. Then ISP will help you to achieve your needs. 

For me it's normal, if you want, do it yourself and don't disturb technicians (except consultation with network engineer). :)

Of course, its different in every country. I'm just asking :)






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  Reply # 868685 30-Jul-2013 16:34
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Kirdog:[snip]

O_o cheaper to run cable? oh i think to run cable cost around 20k+  (there is no logic for me >.<)

O_O


And the costs to actually deploy Annex M would exceed that for sure.

Cheers _ N



thats strange to me :) 

What the approx cost of running fiber? :)))

Thanks one more time for explaining :)




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  Reply # 868734 30-Jul-2013 17:05
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Kirdog:
Talkiet:
Kirdog:[snip]

I can see that around 60% of Auckland covered by VDSL. But other 40% cant get it. 

There is no upgrades for Annex-M needed i think, because this technology was introduced and included in ADSL2 and ADSL2+. DSLAM have settings for each connection: like interleaving, modulation and etc, this settings can be changed remotely in 5 min. I have old cheapest router somewhere, it's support annex M.  

I think it is all locked on marketing level, and upload speed capping politics....


Not true. There's a cost. It may not be a cost in going to install a new card in each DSLAM that they may want to provision from, but there are costs in (at least) developing and offering the option.

It is NOT anything to do with your made up "upload speed capping politics"...

Cheers - N






Hm. 

If i will cover cost for this card + installation cost. And after this enable annexM for me, is it possible? 



No. You'll also need to get the entire industry to agree of a spectrum management plan, something that still doesn't exist despite many attempts to formulate one.

You're also clearly unaware of how much a 48 port 7300 series card costs! I'd also suspect the current multimode cards already support Annex M already, but there are licencing and technical issues that surround the usage.


 

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  Reply # 868757 30-Jul-2013 17:44
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sbiddle:
Kirdog:
Talkiet:
Kirdog:[snip]

I can see that around 60% of Auckland covered by VDSL. But other 40% cant get it. 

There is no upgrades for Annex-M needed i think, because this technology was introduced and included in ADSL2 and ADSL2+. DSLAM have settings for each connection: like interleaving, modulation and etc, this settings can be changed remotely in 5 min. I have old cheapest router somewhere, it's support annex M.  

I think it is all locked on marketing level, and upload speed capping politics....


Not true. There's a cost. It may not be a cost in going to install a new card in each DSLAM that they may want to provision from, but there are costs in (at least) developing and offering the option.

It is NOT anything to do with your made up "upload speed capping politics"...

Cheers - N






Hm. 

If i will cover cost for this card + installation cost. And after this enable annexM for me, is it possible? 



...there are licencing and...


 


Yes, no problems in fact, just "manager limitations". :)




Sorry about my English guys :>

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  Reply # 868759 30-Jul-2013 17:51
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Kirdog:
Yes, no problems in fact, just "manager limitations". :)


Licencing isn't a limitation. That merely becomes part of pricing.

The fact there is no ratified spectrum management plan is a limitation.




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  Reply # 868813 30-Jul-2013 19:03
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Kirdog:
Talkiet:
Kirdog:[snip]

I can see that around 60% of Auckland covered by VDSL. But other 40% cant get it. 

There is no upgrades for Annex-M needed i think, because this technology was introduced and included in ADSL2 and ADSL2+. DSLAM have settings for each connection: like interleaving, modulation and etc, this settings can be changed remotely in 5 min. I have old cheapest router somewhere, it's support annex M.  

I think it is all locked on marketing level, and upload speed capping politics....


Not true. There's a cost. It may not be a cost in going to install a new card in each DSLAM that they may want to provision from, but there are costs in (at least) developing and offering the option.

It is NOT anything to do with your made up "upload speed capping politics"...

Cheers - N






Hm. 

If i will cover cost for this card + installation cost. And after this enable annexM for me, is it possible? 


In my home country, we have nice politic from ISPs: 
For example:
If you want new line, do it yourself, and we will connect it.
If you want VDSL2, buy VDSL2 DSLAM, bring it to us, we will connect it. 
If you want - pay. 

Thanks for your help by the way :)



I like your country if you wan't fibre or vdsl2 bring the stuff to us with some money and we give it to you :D I bring vdsl2 cabnet to you we connect then you pay : ))))))))))

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  Reply # 868820 30-Jul-2013 19:14
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I can't believe this thread is still going....
First 3 pages to state the obvious that the customer had a wiring fault and now this dribble.

MODS WHERE ARE YOU?!?!



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  Reply # 868821 30-Jul-2013 19:23
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chevrolux: I can't believe this thread is still going....
First 3 pages to state the obvious that the customer had a wiring fault and now this dribble.

MODS WHERE ARE YOU?!?!


Go away leave my thread alone. The thread was about me finding about my connection migration not my wiring fault. Before leaving dribble on my trending thread which you're obviously "Jealous" of you failed to see what the thread was all about.

My Russian friend can ask what ever question he likes on my thread , If you don't like my thread no one is forcing you to read it (Sarcasm intended) 

You don't see me going on your threads trying to get them locked because im jealous of your trending threads. 

Go calm down and stay off my thread until your bad day get's better than come back.... actually just stay away thanks.


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  Reply # 868822 30-Jul-2013 19:23
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AppleJackXD:
Kirdog:
Talkiet:
Kirdog:[snip]

I can see that around 60% of Auckland covered by VDSL. But other 40% cant get it. 

There is no upgrades for Annex-M needed i think, because this technology was introduced and included in ADSL2 and ADSL2+. DSLAM have settings for each connection: like interleaving, modulation and etc, this settings can be changed remotely in 5 min. I have old cheapest router somewhere, it's support annex M.  

I think it is all locked on marketing level, and upload speed capping politics....


Not true. There's a cost. It may not be a cost in going to install a new card in each DSLAM that they may want to provision from, but there are costs in (at least) developing and offering the option.

It is NOT anything to do with your made up "upload speed capping politics"...

Cheers - N






Hm. 

If i will cover cost for this card + installation cost. And after this enable annexM for me, is it possible? 


In my home country, we have nice politic from ISPs: 
For example:
If you want new line, do it yourself, and we will connect it.
If you want VDSL2, buy VDSL2 DSLAM, bring it to us, we will connect it. 
If you want - pay. 

Thanks for your help by the way :)



I like your country if you wan't fibre or vdsl2 bring the stuff to us with some money and we give it to you :D I bring vdsl2 cabnet to you we connect then you pay : ))))))))))


i just like that thing, if you want - do it yourself. 


chevrolux: I can't believe this thread is still going....
First 3 pages to state the obvious that the customer had a wiring fault and now this dribble.

MODS WHERE ARE YOU?!?!


Whats wrong ? We just discussing Speeds and solutions, nothing wrong really! :D




Sorry about my English guys :>



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  Reply # 868823 30-Jul-2013 19:25
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Kirdog:
AppleJackXD:
Kirdog:
Talkiet:
Kirdog:[snip]

I can see that around 60% of Auckland covered by VDSL. But other 40% cant get it. 

There is no upgrades for Annex-M needed i think, because this technology was introduced and included in ADSL2 and ADSL2+. DSLAM have settings for each connection: like interleaving, modulation and etc, this settings can be changed remotely in 5 min. I have old cheapest router somewhere, it's support annex M.  

I think it is all locked on marketing level, and upload speed capping politics....


Not true. There's a cost. It may not be a cost in going to install a new card in each DSLAM that they may want to provision from, but there are costs in (at least) developing and offering the option.

It is NOT anything to do with your made up "upload speed capping politics"...

Cheers - N






Hm. 

If i will cover cost for this card + installation cost. And after this enable annexM for me, is it possible? 


In my home country, we have nice politic from ISPs: 
For example:
If you want new line, do it yourself, and we will connect it.
If you want VDSL2, buy VDSL2 DSLAM, bring it to us, we will connect it. 
If you want - pay. 

Thanks for your help by the way :)



I like your country if you wan't fibre or vdsl2 bring the stuff to us with some money and we give it to you :D I bring vdsl2 cabnet to you we connect then you pay : ))))))))))


i just like that thing, if you want - do it yourself. 


chevrolux: I can't believe this thread is still going....
First 3 pages to state the obvious that the customer had a wiring fault and now this dribble.

MODS WHERE ARE YOU?!?!


Whats wrong ? We just discussing Speeds and solutions, nothing wrong really! :D


It's ok i told him to leave us and my thread alone.... "I think he is having a bad day"


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