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  Reply # 868829 30-Jul-2013 19:38
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Yes, no problems in fact, just "manager limitations". :)


You're clearly not prepared to understand or acknowledge that it's not some great conspiracy to keep you from having better upload speeds. But really, it's not. It's simply not a viable business plan to go through the time, effort, and expense to implement an outdated technology for the 7 people in the country who might want it.




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  Reply # 868834 30-Jul-2013 19:43
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Inphinity:
Kirdog: 
Yes, no problems in fact, just "manager limitations". :)


You're clearly not prepared to understand or acknowledge that it's not some great conspiracy to keep you from having better upload speeds. But really, it's not. It's simply not a viable business plan to go through the time, effort, and expense to implement an outdated technology for the 7 people in the country who might want it.


Thats why, i asked here: Can i help myself with my problem. But even if (already) installed DSLAM can provide AnnexM, it is still impossible to use it :)

[sadface]




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  Reply # 868835 30-Jul-2013 19:45
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Kirdog:
Inphinity:
Kirdog: 
Yes, no problems in fact, just "manager limitations". :)


You're clearly not prepared to understand or acknowledge that it's not some great conspiracy to keep you from having better upload speeds. But really, it's not. It's simply not a viable business plan to go through the time, effort, and expense to implement an outdated technology for the 7 people in the country who might want it.


Thats why, i asked here: Can i help myself with my problem. But even if (already) installed DSLAM can provide AnnexM, it is still impossible to use it :)

[sadface]


I think annex m would be pretty popular especially for everyone who can't get vdsl2 upload speed being faster helps out for everyone who makes youtube videos.

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  Reply # 868836 30-Jul-2013 19:48
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AppleJackXD:
Kirdog:
Inphinity:
Kirdog: 
Yes, no problems in fact, just "manager limitations". :)


You're clearly not prepared to understand or acknowledge that it's not some great conspiracy to keep you from having better upload speeds. But really, it's not. It's simply not a viable business plan to go through the time, effort, and expense to implement an outdated technology for the 7 people in the country who might want it.


Thats why, i asked here: Can i help myself with my problem. But even if (already) installed DSLAM can provide AnnexM, it is still impossible to use it :)

[sadface]


I think annex m would be pretty popular especially for everyone who can't get vdsl2 upload speed being faster helps out for everyone who makes youtube videos.


Yes, thats what this discussion about. :)




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  Reply # 868842 30-Jul-2013 19:59
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Kirdog:
AppleJackXD:
Kirdog:
Inphinity:
Kirdog: 
Yes, no problems in fact, just "manager limitations". :)


You're clearly not prepared to understand or acknowledge that it's not some great conspiracy to keep you from having better upload speeds. But really, it's not. It's simply not a viable business plan to go through the time, effort, and expense to implement an outdated technology for the 7 people in the country who might want it.


Thats why, i asked here: Can i help myself with my problem. But even if (already) installed DSLAM can provide AnnexM, it is still impossible to use it :)

[sadface]


I think annex m would be pretty popular especially for everyone who can't get vdsl2 upload speed being faster helps out for everyone who makes youtube videos.


Yes, thats what this discussion about. :)


Im going to sleep talk to you later : )

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  Reply # 868903 30-Jul-2013 21:20
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Well seeing as I am obviously having a bad day I will just be a grumpy pr1ck some more.

Most users will see next to no benefit when enabling Annex M. The 3Mbps is a theoretical max upload speed just like the theoretical download is 24Mbps. Anybody who has spent some time working with DSL knows that in reality you will seldom see a line perform above 20-21Mbps.

So in reality users are only going to see maybe 2.5Mbps. I just cannot accept that is going to give any noticeable benefit. If offsite backup is what the increased upstream is for it is still going to upload at a crawl and if offiste backup is the decided upon strategy then a higher quality broadband service needs to be installed.

Annex M has also proven to be unstable in many situations. So much so Slingshot even don't support it. They will enable it on your line but any issues are the users problem. So if "NZs largest kiwi owned ISP" won't support then why on earth would Chorus enable such a thing on nationwide critical infrastructure.

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  Reply # 868984 30-Jul-2013 23:26
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Annex M is completely different kettle of fish to asking about a line being adsl 1 or 2, or vdsl, inwhich was the first question. really has gone off topic.

chevrolux isnt being a grumpy twat at all, simply stated a point, an opinion.

theres been plenty of opinions thrown up by others, does that make them grumpy twats too?

im sure the thread will get closed if it keeps up like this, and then it will all start over again when things change for the OP im sure. wouldnt it be nice to continue it in the thread? rather than needing to start a new one?


with annex M, you really have to consider, is the extra mbit your likely to get worth it? clearly your line cant support vdsl, so you already have distance against you.

is that change in spectrum worth the effort in support? remember, in the case that your line is analysed, there would need to be consideration to which annex you are on..


as for the bringing your own equipment, thats great. how about you try that on say, a coklin cabinet, would be a great place for it right? the backhall would have so much free bandwith still ;)

gotta think about more than just if the line card supports it, no point in having something you cant actually use right?

the joke, "in Soviet Russia tree climb you" comes to mind though.




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  Reply # 868999 31-Jul-2013 03:07
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hio77: Annex M is completely different kettle of fish to asking about a line being adsl 1 or 2, or vdsl, inwhich was the first question. really has gone off topic.

chevrolux isnt being a grumpy twat at all, simply stated a point, an opinion.

theres been plenty of opinions thrown up by others, does that make them grumpy twats too?

im sure the thread will get closed if it keeps up like this, and then it will all start over again when things change for the OP im sure. wouldnt it be nice to continue it in the thread? rather than needing to start a new one?


with annex M, you really have to consider, is the extra mbit your likely to get worth it? clearly your line cant support vdsl, so you already have distance against you.

is that change in spectrum worth the effort in support? remember, in the case that your line is analysed, there would need to be consideration to which annex you are on..


as for the bringing your own equipment, thats great. how about you try that on say, a coklin cabinet, would be a great place for it right? the backhall would have so much free bandwith still ;)

gotta think about more than just if the line card supports it, no point in having something you cant actually use right?

the joke, "in Soviet Russia tree climb you" comes to mind though.


Well this is the off-topic section of the forum am i correct ? off-topic forum section ,thread gone off-topic (i see no problem) 

And i Quote  (wouldn't it be nice to continue it in the thread? rather than needing to start a new one?) I rest my case old chap ,time for a cup of tea : )




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  Reply # 869004 31-Jul-2013 05:11
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Ooops this is not the of topic section..... well i will pick an answer now.

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  Reply # 869334 31-Jul-2013 14:58
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Is it any way to lower noise margin of my connection?

currently i have:

DSL Upstream Rate: 998 Kbps
DSL Downstream Rate: 13015 Kbps

Down up
DSL Noise Margin: 12.6 dB 12.6 dB
DSL Attenuation: 26.0 dB 13.9 dB
DSL Transmit Power: 19.3 dBm 12.4 dBm


My friend with vodafone ADSL2+ have:

DSL Upstream Rate: 1185 Kbps
DSL Downstream Rate: 16111 Kbps

Down up
DSL Noise Margin: 6.1 dB 6.6 dB
DSL Attenuation: 28.0 dB 15.8 dB
DSL Transmit Power: 16.3 dBm 11.4 dBm

And he has no problems with any connection stability and etc.


so, WTF!? O_o




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  Reply # 869340 31-Jul-2013 15:03
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Kirdog: Is it any way to lower noise margin of my connection?

currently i have:

DSL Upstream Rate: 998 Kbps
DSL Downstream Rate: 13015 Kbps

Down up
DSL Noise Margin: 12.6 dB 12.6 dB
DSL Attenuation: 26.0 dB 13.9 dB
DSL Transmit Power: 19.3 dBm 12.4 dBm


My friend with vodafone ADSL2+ have:

DSL Upstream Rate: 1185 Kbps
DSL Downstream Rate: 16111 Kbps

Down up
DSL Noise Margin: 6.1 dB 6.6 dB
DSL Attenuation: 28.0 dB 15.8 dB
DSL Transmit Power: 16.3 dBm 11.4 dBm

And he has no problems with any connection stability and etc.


so, WTF!? O_o


your friend is connected to vodafone gear, they tend to run at 6db rather than the conservative 12db chorus use.


in terms of lowering it, yes, you can use snr tweaking to lower it. all depends on if your router can do so and your line itself however..




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  Reply # 869403 31-Jul-2013 16:41
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Kirdog: Is it any way to lower noise margin of my connection? 



My response to that is to ask you why you want to do this, and whether you actually know that the noise margin is?

A 26 - 28dB connection while delivering OK performance isn't by any means a brilliant connection.

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  Reply # 869414 31-Jul-2013 17:36
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sbiddle:
Kirdog: Is it any way to lower noise margin of my connection? 



My response to that is to ask you why you want to do this, and whether you actually know that the noise margin is?

A 26 - 28dB connection while delivering OK performance isn't by any means a brilliant connection.


Gain more speed, and more upload, every KB/sec of upload speed is important for me. 

I don't know actual physics of the Noise Margin (anyway i have read wiki and some other resources.), but i know that:

* 6 db is a standard(default), provides high speed and normal stability. Everything lower is not good. 

* 12 db more stable connection, and lower speed. But seems it is useless setting in some scenarios. 


I know that my attenuation is high for some reason, and i'm not in rural location. But i'm receiving capped speed, while i can receive more like my friend on Voda.  









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  Reply # 869420 31-Jul-2013 17:48
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Kirdog:
sbiddle:
Kirdog: Is it any way to lower noise margin of my connection? 



My response to that is to ask you why you want to do this, and whether you actually know that the noise margin is?

A 26 - 28dB connection while delivering OK performance isn't by any means a brilliant connection.


Gain more speed, and more upload, every KB/sec of upload speed is important for me. 

I don't know actual physics of the Noise Margin (anyway i have read wiki and some other resources.), but i know that:

* 6 db is a standard(default), provides high speed and normal stability. Everything lower is not good. 

* 12 db more stable connection, and lower speed. But seems it is useless setting in some scenarios. 


I know that my attenuation is high for some reason, and i'm not in rural location. But i'm receiving capped speed, while i can receive more like my friend on Voda.  


your missing the point made before..

on chorus gear, 12db is the default. this is not negotiable. its set at that, and thats that.

while you could move to vodafone (or another provider which has gear running at a lower margin), and get lower noise, there is a chance this will be alot less stable. 

what good is speed if its always disconnecting and closing connections?


once again, on chorus gear which is possible to be the case even if you were with, say vodafone, the default, and only set value is 12db.




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  Reply # 869427 31-Jul-2013 18:00
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hio77:
Kirdog:
sbiddle:
Kirdog: Is it any way to lower noise margin of my connection? 



My response to that is to ask you why you want to do this, and whether you actually know that the noise margin is?

A 26 - 28dB connection while delivering OK performance isn't by any means a brilliant connection.


Gain more speed, and more upload, every KB/sec of upload speed is important for me. 

I don't know actual physics of the Noise Margin (anyway i have read wiki and some other resources.), but i know that:

* 6 db is a standard(default), provides high speed and normal stability. Everything lower is not good. 

* 12 db more stable connection, and lower speed. But seems it is useless setting in some scenarios. 


I know that my attenuation is high for some reason, and i'm not in rural location. But i'm receiving capped speed, while i can receive more like my friend on Voda.  


your missing the point made before..

on chorus gear, 12db is the default. this is not negotiable. its set at that, and thats that.

while you could move to vodafone (or another provider which has gear running at a lower margin), and get lower noise, there is a chance this will be alot less stable. 

what good is speed if its always disconnecting and closing connections?


once again, on chorus gear which is possible to be the case even if you were with, say vodafone, the default, and only set value is 12db.


Show me any post like: "How to increase my SNR?" 

Can't see any problems with routers connected with 6db Noise Margin. 




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