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  #920310 23-Oct-2013 12:05
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cbrpilot:
nicks: But why is it only for xDSL - why not for those of us on UFB too? 


Did you read the article?

NBR: The first Telecom naked plans are for copper broadband only. A naked option for UFB fibre will follow in the new year.


I did, I suppose my point was more why those of us on UFB need to wait until sometime next year. Our phone connection is still on the copper line, like xDSL.

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  #920380 23-Oct-2013 13:15
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nicks:
cbrpilot:
nicks: But why is it only for xDSL - why not for those of us on UFB too? 


Did you read the article?

NBR: The first Telecom naked plans are for copper broadband only. A naked option for UFB fibre will follow in the new year.


I did, I suppose my point was more why those of us on UFB need to wait until sometime next year. Our phone connection is still on the copper line, like xDSL.


I would guess at it being Voice over Fibre coming soon but don't quote me on that I'm literally taking a stab in the dark. Someone earlier said that the phoneline isn't included in the UFB price but I'm not sure how correct this is.

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  #920390 23-Oct-2013 13:28
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nicks:
cbrpilot:
nicks: But why is it only for xDSL - why not for those of us on UFB too? 


Did you read the article?

NBR: The first Telecom naked plans are for copper broadband only. A naked option for UFB fibre will follow in the new year.


I did, I suppose my point was more why those of us on UFB need to wait until sometime next year. Our phone connection is still on the copper line, like xDSL.


I am not involved in the project to do this, so I cannot answer with any surety.   What I do know is that there are other complications with Fibre such as addresses which do not physically have any copper.   Due to this and  other factors, the actual solution for naked UFB may not be the same as that for copper DSL.  Different solutions = longer to get working right.




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  #920392 23-Oct-2013 13:43
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So Telecom have to supply a real phone number to help ICMS work properly?

What is wrong with just using the ASID numbers that have been assigned to DSL connections for the last 5 or 6 years?

I guess I am just really struggling with the concept that this is being labelled as a 'technical' limitation. The fact that we know DSL connections can exist on their own with a purely fictitious number proves that it is not a technical limitation.

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  #920410 23-Oct-2013 14:15
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chevrolux: So Telecom have to supply a real phone number to help ICMS work properly? 



When ICMS was developed around 1990 it was a logical assumption that a customer would always have a phone number, after all Telecom was just a phone company.


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chevrolux: So Telecom have to supply a real phone number to help ICMS work properly?

What is wrong with just using the ASID numbers that have been assigned to DSL connections for the last 5 or 6 years?

I guess I am just really struggling with the concept that this is being labelled as a 'technical' limitation. The fact that we know DSL connections can exist on their own with a purely fictitious number proves that it is not a technical limitation.


Back end, provisioning, billing, assure systems are components of the end to end solution, so yes, it's definitely a technical limitation.

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  #920694 23-Oct-2013 21:47
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sbiddle:
chevrolux: So Telecom have to supply a real phone number to help ICMS work properly? 



When ICMS was developed around 1990 it was a logical assumption that a customer would always have a phone number, after all Telecom was just a phone company.



That would most likely be the reason two of our ADSL circuits at work have no dial tone but have numbers on the line jacks..




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  #920763 24-Oct-2013 02:26
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If i will change my connection to naked DSL, does it mean any upstream speeds improvement?

Wikipedia cite: "Naked ADSL2 and ADSL2+ provisioned with "all digital mode" Annex I or Annex J can achieve additional 256 kbit/s of upstream data rate."

Annex J seems "tasty".

Is it true or false for Telecom?




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Kirdog: If i will change my connection to naked DSL, does it mean any upstream speeds improvement?

Wikipedia cite: "Naked ADSL2 and ADSL2+ provisioned with "all digital mode" Annex I or Annex J can achieve additional 256 kbit/s of upstream data rate."

Annex J seems "tasty".

Is it true or false for Telecom?


no, telecom use chorus's gear, which doesnt support Annex M.  AFAIK, the likes of I and J arent supported anywhere here.


Annex profiles depend on what the line card allows/is capable of, a move from clothed to naked wont change this factor..




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  #920793 24-Oct-2013 08:43
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Kirdog: If i will change my connection to naked DSL, does it mean any upstream speeds improvement?

Wikipedia cite: "Naked ADSL2 and ADSL2+ provisioned with "all digital mode" Annex I or Annex J can achieve additional 256 kbit/s of upstream data rate."

Annex J seems "tasty".

Is it true or false for Telecom?


As discussed numerous times before, no and no.

Telecom also don't have any xDSL equipment. They use Chorus wholesale services.







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  #920857 24-Oct-2013 10:30
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sbiddle:
Kirdog: If i will change my connection to naked DSL, does it mean any upstream speeds improvement?

Wikipedia cite: "Naked ADSL2 and ADSL2+ provisioned with "all digital mode" Annex I or Annex J can achieve additional 256 kbit/s of upstream data rate."

Annex J seems "tasty".

Is it true or false for Telecom?


As discussed numerous times before, no and no.

Telecom also don't have any xDSL equipment. They use Chorus wholesale services.








And furthermore, it's not actually a naked connection anyway. It's a clothed connection with a toll bar.

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  #921176 24-Oct-2013 20:58
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sbiddle:
Kirdog: If i will change my connection to naked DSL, does it mean any upstream speeds improvement?

Wikipedia cite: "Naked ADSL2 and ADSL2+ provisioned with "all digital mode" Annex I or Annex J can achieve additional 256 kbit/s of upstream data rate."

Annex J seems "tasty".

Is it true or false for Telecom?


As discussed numerous times before, no and no.

Telecom also don't have any xDSL equipment. They use Chorus wholesale services.








And furthermore, it's not actually a naked connection anyway. It's a clothed connection with a toll bar.


lol

Than do not call it "naked"...




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  #921178 24-Oct-2013 21:07
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Kirdog: 

lol

Than do not call it "naked"...


"Naked" is just a word, it's still xDSL delivered over a phone line, in this case it's still plugged into Telecom's NEAX switches but what else are they going to call it without adding customer confusion? It is "Naked xDSL" since it's still xDSL which doesn't come with a phone service (since it's barred). Also you'll still find quite a large percentage of "naked" xDSL services out there still connected to a NEAX (test this, plug a phone in, do you hear beeping?) and yet these are still called "Naked" since they are.

Your argument is invalid, go home, you're drunk.




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  #921180 24-Oct-2013 21:12
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michaelmurfy: 
Your argument is invalid, go home, you're drunk.






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  #921182 24-Oct-2013 21:24
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Kirdog: lol

Than do not call it "naked"...
I think this recent development is relevant to you: 
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumId=81&topicid=133452
Slingshot are beginning to offer Naked connections at selected exchanges over their own equipment which is capable of ADSL2+ annex M.


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