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  #974345 25-Jan-2014 21:44
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So what happens at the end of the trial at this stage? Is this looking to go forward. Will users currently get warned before the end of the trial if they need to find a new provider or not?

Just for clarification sakes.

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  #974364 25-Jan-2014 22:09
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Downhillnz: So what happens at the end of the trial at this stage? Is this looking to go forward. Will users currently get warned before the end of the trial if they need to find a new provider or not?

Just for clarification sakes.


Well I can't give too much away, but lets just say the trial is going very well. 

Anything we add/remove/change we will give plenty of notice.





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  #974371 25-Jan-2014 22:42
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metalla: Certainly seems that way. Hopefully it can go back, otherwise, anyone in the market for a really great modem router? 


There's still my (actually very good) router :P - http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=77&topicid=138987





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  #974817 26-Jan-2014 20:56
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Is it not possible to stream 1080p on twitch.tv without lag? (on ADSL)

I've lagged on the last 2 ISPS I've been with.

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  #974879 27-Jan-2014 00:23
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Epicwhale: Is it not possible to stream 1080p on twitch.tv without lag? (on ADSL)


ADSL doesn't even have sufficient upload bandwidth to stream 720p.

EDIT: Assuming that you mean you're the person streaming. ADSL is usually sufficient to watch 1080p Twitch streams.




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  #974883 27-Jan-2014 01:14
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Epicwhale: Is it not possible to stream 1080p on twitch.tv without lag? (on ADSL)

I've lagged on the last 2 ISPS I've been with.


I can't get 480p to stream on twitch watching other peoples streams. And this is on vdsl.

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  #974959 27-Jan-2014 10:12
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Detruire:
Epicwhale: Is it not possible to stream 1080p on twitch.tv without lag? (on ADSL)


ADSL doesn't even have sufficient upload bandwidth to stream 720p.

EDIT: Assuming that you mean you're the person streaming. ADSL is usually sufficient to watch 1080p Twitch streams.


No, this is watching streams.

I can't watch any 1080p streams without them lagging every 5 seconds.



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  #975100 27-Jan-2014 14:31
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Epicwhale:
Detruire:
Epicwhale: Is it not possible to stream 1080p on twitch.tv without lag? (on ADSL)


ADSL doesn't even have sufficient upload bandwidth to stream 720p.

EDIT: Assuming that you mean you're the person streaming. ADSL is usually sufficient to watch 1080p Twitch streams.


No, this is watching streams.

I can't watch any 1080p streams without them lagging every 5 seconds.


I don't watch twitch myself usually,  but just tried a couple of streams on 'high' (the highest setting I could select) and seemed to be working just fine. (Bigpipe VDSL, syncing around 46Mbps).  
I can't see anywhere to select 1080p specifically though. (Do you need to be a subscriber to do that?)

These are the two streams I tried and both worked no problems.

http://www.twitch.tv/avilo

and

http://www.twitch.tv/colminigun

(I like starcraft 2   )

I even tried streaming them concurrently (both at the same time) on high with no problem at all.

Do you have any specific streams you are trying to watch that aren't working that I can try out?




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Epicwhale
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  #975132 27-Jan-2014 14:49
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BigPipeNZ:
Epicwhale:
Detruire:
Epicwhale: Is it not possible to stream 1080p on twitch.tv without lag? (on ADSL)


ADSL doesn't even have sufficient upload bandwidth to stream 720p.

EDIT: Assuming that you mean you're the person streaming. ADSL is usually sufficient to watch 1080p Twitch streams.


No, this is watching streams.

I can't watch any 1080p streams without them lagging every 5 seconds.


I don't watch twitch myself usually,  but just tried a couple of streams on 'high' (the highest setting I could select) and seemed to be working just fine. (Bigpipe VDSL, syncing around 46Mbps).  
I can't see anywhere to select 1080p specifically though. (Do you need to be a subscriber to do that?)

These are the two streams I tried and both worked no problems.

http://www.twitch.tv/avilo

and

http://www.twitch.tv/colminigun

(I like starcraft 2   )

I even tried streaming them concurrently (both at the same time) on high with no problem at all.

Do you have any specific streams you are trying to watch that aren't working that I can try out?


I can stream high when there's only 1 computer on in the house.

The Source setting on any stream lags constantly though.

(sorry by 1080p I meant Source)

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  #975136 27-Jan-2014 14:52
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Epicwhale:

I can stream high when there's only 1 computer on in the house.

The Source setting on any stream lags constantly though.

(sorry by 1080p I meant Source)


Are you using wifi?

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  #975139 27-Jan-2014 14:59
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blakamin:
Epicwhale:

I can stream high when there's only 1 computer on in the house.

The Source setting on any stream lags constantly though.

(sorry by 1080p I meant Source)


Are you using wifi?


Nope, connected straight to the router.

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  #975145 27-Jan-2014 15:03
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Epicwhale:
BigPipeNZ:
Epicwhale:
Detruire:
Epicwhale: Is it not possible to stream 1080p on twitch.tv without lag? (on ADSL)


ADSL doesn't even have sufficient upload bandwidth to stream 720p.

EDIT: Assuming that you mean you're the person streaming. ADSL is usually sufficient to watch 1080p Twitch streams.


No, this is watching streams.

I can't watch any 1080p streams without them lagging every 5 seconds.


I don't watch twitch myself usually,  but just tried a couple of streams on 'high' (the highest setting I could select) and seemed to be working just fine. (Bigpipe VDSL, syncing around 46Mbps).  
I can't see anywhere to select 1080p specifically though. (Do you need to be a subscriber to do that?)

These are the two streams I tried and both worked no problems.

http://www.twitch.tv/avilo

and

http://www.twitch.tv/colminigun

(I like starcraft 2   )

I even tried streaming them concurrently (both at the same time) on high with no problem at all.

Do you have any specific streams you are trying to watch that aren't working that I can try out?


I can stream high when there's only 1 computer on in the house.

The Source setting on any stream lags constantly though.

(sorry by 1080p I meant Source)


ok,  I didn't realise you could select 'source'.  I thought it was just the heading of that box and 'high' was the best you could get. 

Just tried the vid on the homepage (currently "Nadeshot")  and selected 'source'.  I got a minor buffer for 2-3 seconds about every 30 seconds or so.

I also tried this one
http://www.twitch.tv/marinekingprime  (another SC2 one)  and it seems fine in 'source'. no issues at all having sat and watched for 3-4 mins

One thing to consider is that this isn't like normal VOD, where the content already exists saved on gigantic servers in some data warehouse and where you can buffer well ahead several minutes in case the connection isn't perfectly stable.

Twitch streams are in real time and broadcasting from somewhere in the USA, from someone's house where their connection itself might not even be that good. i.e. if their upload is struggling to broadcast 1080p, then your download speed is totally irrelevant.

1080p is always going to be difficult for Twitch to serve up in real time at that distance.

With Netflix you connect to the closest 'local' server where the content sits ('local' being LA for Netflix) but with Twitch it could be anywhere in the world.

I suspect this is just the nature of NZ being on the opposite side of the world and there isn't a whole lot you can do to get around it.




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  #975152 27-Jan-2014 15:10
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BigPipeNZ:
Epicwhale:
BigPipeNZ:
Epicwhale:
Detruire:
Epicwhale: Is it not possible to stream 1080p on twitch.tv without lag? (on ADSL)


ADSL doesn't even have sufficient upload bandwidth to stream 720p.

EDIT: Assuming that you mean you're the person streaming. ADSL is usually sufficient to watch 1080p Twitch streams.


No, this is watching streams.

I can't watch any 1080p streams without them lagging every 5 seconds.


I don't watch twitch myself usually,  but just tried a couple of streams on 'high' (the highest setting I could select) and seemed to be working just fine. (Bigpipe VDSL, syncing around 46Mbps).  
I can't see anywhere to select 1080p specifically though. (Do you need to be a subscriber to do that?)

These are the two streams I tried and both worked no problems.

http://www.twitch.tv/avilo

and

http://www.twitch.tv/colminigun

(I like starcraft 2   )

I even tried streaming them concurrently (both at the same time) on high with no problem at all.

Do you have any specific streams you are trying to watch that aren't working that I can try out?


I can stream high when there's only 1 computer on in the house.

The Source setting on any stream lags constantly though.

(sorry by 1080p I meant Source)


ok,  I didn't realise you could select 'source'.  I thought it was just the heading of that box and 'high' was the best you could get. 

Just tried the vid on the homepage (currently "Nadeshot")  and selected 'source'.  I got a minor buffer for 2-3 seconds about every 30 seconds or so.

I also tried this one
http://www.twitch.tv/marinekingprime  (another SC2 one)  and it seems fine in 'source'. no issues at all having sat and watched for 3-4 mins

One thing to consider is that this isn't like normal VOD, where the content already exists saved on gigantic servers in some data warehouse and where you can buffer well ahead several minutes in case the connection isn't perfectly stable.

Twitch streams are in real time and broadcasting from somewhere in the USA, from someone's house where their connection itself might not even be that good. i.e. if their upload is struggling to broadcast 1080p, then your download speed is totally irrelevant.

1080p is always going to be difficult for Twitch to serve up in real time at that distance.

With Netflix you connect to the closest 'local' server where the content sits ('local' being LA for Netflix) but with Twitch it could be anywhere in the world.

I suspect this is just the nature of NZ being on the opposite side of the world and there isn't a whole lot you can do to get around it.


I never thought about that too be honest, woops.

The SC2 one didn't lag on source for me either so I suppose there's nothing I can do.

Thanks for the quick reply


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  #975159 27-Jan-2014 15:19
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Epicwhale:
BigPipeNZ:
Epicwhale:
BigPipeNZ:
Epicwhale:
Detruire:
Epicwhale: Is it not possible to stream 1080p on twitch.tv without lag? (on ADSL)


ADSL doesn't even have sufficient upload bandwidth to stream 720p.

EDIT: Assuming that you mean you're the person streaming. ADSL is usually sufficient to watch 1080p Twitch streams.


No, this is watching streams.

I can't watch any 1080p streams without them lagging every 5 seconds.


I don't watch twitch myself usually,  but just tried a couple of streams on 'high' (the highest setting I could select) and seemed to be working just fine. (Bigpipe VDSL, syncing around 46Mbps).  
I can't see anywhere to select 1080p specifically though. (Do you need to be a subscriber to do that?)

These are the two streams I tried and both worked no problems.

http://www.twitch.tv/avilo

and

http://www.twitch.tv/colminigun

(I like starcraft 2   )

I even tried streaming them concurrently (both at the same time) on high with no problem at all.

Do you have any specific streams you are trying to watch that aren't working that I can try out?


I can stream high when there's only 1 computer on in the house.

The Source setting on any stream lags constantly though.

(sorry by 1080p I meant Source)


ok,  I didn't realise you could select 'source'.  I thought it was just the heading of that box and 'high' was the best you could get. 

Just tried the vid on the homepage (currently "Nadeshot")  and selected 'source'.  I got a minor buffer for 2-3 seconds about every 30 seconds or so.

I also tried this one
http://www.twitch.tv/marinekingprime  (another SC2 one)  and it seems fine in 'source'. no issues at all having sat and watched for 3-4 mins

One thing to consider is that this isn't like normal VOD, where the content already exists saved on gigantic servers in some data warehouse and where you can buffer well ahead several minutes in case the connection isn't perfectly stable.

Twitch streams are in real time and broadcasting from somewhere in the USA, from someone's house where their connection itself might not even be that good. i.e. if their upload is struggling to broadcast 1080p, then your download speed is totally irrelevant.

1080p is always going to be difficult for Twitch to serve up in real time at that distance.

With Netflix you connect to the closest 'local' server where the content sits ('local' being LA for Netflix) but with Twitch it could be anywhere in the world.

I suspect this is just the nature of NZ being on the opposite side of the world and there isn't a whole lot you can do to get around it.


I never thought about that too be honest, woops.

The SC2 one didn't lag on source for me either so I suppose there's nothing I can do.

Thanks for the quick reply



yeah, it's unfortunate.
 
I generally prefer to watch games on youtube (which is why I'm not so familiar with Twitch).  
It's not live, so you can't 'chat' of course, but vid quality is miles better, and you can skip past the boring bits.

I don't know what you watch on twitch, but here are some of my favourite game related channels

http://www.youtube.com/user/HuskyStarcraft
http://www.youtube.com/user/day9tv
http://www.youtube.com/user/theRadBrad





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  #977891 31-Jan-2014 10:58

Hey just got BigPipe VDSL going yesterday, but have some speed variability issues. Initially yesterday, I was syncing at 38000ish and speedtest.net came up around 35Mbps DL/8Mbps UL. Current speed tests today, are around 2Mbps DL/8Mbps UL. Have tried both WiFi/Ethernet with no effect. In a couple of instances, the DSL connection has dropped completely then auto-reconnected back to the same slower speeds.

I have a master filter with a dedicated cable run from ETP to DSL jackpoint. Was previously getting about 14Mbps/1Mbps ADSL with no masterfilter/jackpoint.

Using the Telecom HG630b it shows the following line stats:

Line standard VDSL2
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 39373
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 10332
Downstream SNR (dB) 13.3
Upstream SNR (dB) 17.2
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 12.6
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 25.7
Downstream output power (dBmV) 13.5
Upstream output power (dBmV) -1.3
Downstream CRC 3440
Upstream CRC 0
Downstream FEC 631880
Upstream FEC 0

Any clues what it could be?

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