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  Reply # 73948 8-Jun-2007 09:41
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So Telecom's WCDMA network is anything but. 2100MHz WCDMA in the big cities and only 850 GSM/EDGE in the remainder of the country. Very interesting indeed. Even with this announcement Vodafone will be leapfrogging Telecom with their 900MHz WCDMA rollout.

Very disappointing indeed. I would have expected Telecom to follow Telstra and deploy 850 WCDMA nationwide. This isn't innovation, it's a network grasping at straws to maintain competiveness.


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  Reply # 73949 8-Jun-2007 09:45
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um i thought that as well when i read it, but they have not actually said its GSM/EDGE on 850 mhz in the rural areas, just a blend. Who knows what they are going to do.

To early to say but i would imagine they may do both?? seems cheap for $300 million?





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  Reply # 73950 8-Jun-2007 09:45
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What is Mark Ratcliffe smoking?


The new mobile network would be based on WCDMA HSPA technology, "a real leapfrog in capability beyond current mobile broadband offerings", Mr Ratcliffe said.



Only a small percentage of the network will be WCDMA HSPA, the rest will be ancient GSM core network. That's the same technology Telecom slammed for being outdated when they launched CDMA.. Strage isn't it.



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  Reply # 73951 8-Jun-2007 09:48
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To quote the press release:

"Coverage and spectrum use
Coverage will be provided utilising a blend of WCDMA/HSPA at 2100 MHz and GSM/EDGE at 850 MHz technologies.

In particular, 850 MHz spectrum will be utilised to ensure strong rural coverage is achieved, with 2100 MHz employed largely in cities and large metropolitan areas."



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mjsit&t: um i thought that as well when i read it, but they have not actually said its GSM/EDGE on 850 mhz in the rural areas, just a blend. Who knows what they are going to do.



Yes they have


Coverage and spectrum use
Coverage will be provided utilising a blend of WCDMA/HSPA at 2100 MHz and GSM/EDGE at 850 MHz technologies.

In particular, 850 MHz spectrum will be utilised to ensure strong rural coverage is achieved, with 2100 MHz employed largely in cities and large metropolitan areas.





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Reply # 73954 8-Jun-2007 09:52
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JonC: To quote the press release:

"In particular, 850 MHz spectrum will be utilised to ensure strong rural coverage is achieved, with 2100 MHz employed largely in cities and large metropolitan areas."



Didn't they learn anything about the Vodafone New Zealand bad experience with 2100 MHz?





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  Reply # 73955 8-Jun-2007 09:54
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So does this mean that all the CDMA technology will be phased out after 5 years?  EVDO included?



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  Reply # 73957 8-Jun-2007 09:56
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JonC: To quote the press release:

"In particular, 850 MHz spectrum will be utilised to ensure strong rural coverage is achieved, with 2100 MHz employed largely in cities and large metropolitan areas."



Didn't they learn anything about the Vodafone New Zealand bad experience with 2100 MHz?



They do this on telstras Next G also, 2100 in cities and 850mhz elsewhere. I guess if its done right it wont be a problem





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  Reply # 73958 8-Jun-2007 10:00
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JonC: So does this mean that all the CDMA technology will be phased out after 5 years? EVDO included?


I heard two years (2010), with Kevin Bowler on record saying so. However, some people seem to think five years, so it may have changed.




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  Reply # 73960 8-Jun-2007 10:06
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Simon Moutter just promised five years support for CDMA, including devices.




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Reply # 73961 8-Jun-2007 10:07
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juha:
JonC: So does this mean that all the CDMA technology will be phased out after 5 years? EVDO included?


I heard two years (2010), with Kevin Bowler on record saying so. However, some people seem to think five years, so it may have changed.


I'm in the press conference call right now and Simon Moutter (COO Business Market) has just confirmed support for at least five years.







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  Reply # 73962 8-Jun-2007 10:07
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mjsit&t:
They do this on telstras Next G also, 2100 in cities and 850mhz elsewhere. I guess if its done right it wont be a problem


The Next G network is totally different from Telsta's 2100MHz network. 850 is 100% Telstra, their 2100MHz is a 50/50 partnersip with 3. For all intent purposes they are completely different networks.






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sbiddle:
mjsit&t:
They do this on telstras Next G also, 2100 in cities and 850mhz elsewhere. I guess if its done right it wont be a problem


The Next G network is totally different from Telsta's 2100MHz network. 850 is 100% Telstra, their 2100MHz is a 50/50 partnersip with 3. For all intent purposes they are completely different networks.



The five years I'm getting is from the press release:

"Telecom is committed to its CDMA network to the extent the company will guarantee customers their current mobile phones will continue to be supported by Telecom's network for at least the next five years."

Question is, does this apply to their EV-DO data network, too?

The CDMA network in Australia is being replaced by Telstra with a 850MHz HSDPA service rather than a 2100MHz service because it provides better coverage. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstra#Mobile_telephony_.28Telstra_MobileNet.29



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sbiddle> Even with this announcement Vodafone will be leapfrogging Telecom with their 900MHz WCDMA rollout.

How many devices actually exist for 900 WCDMA?

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sbiddle> This isn't innovation, it's a network grasping at straws to maintain competiveness.

Talking about competitivenes one mobile operator reports losing the connections race for 10 of the last 11 quarters. Which one is that?

sbiddle> What is Mark Ratcliffe smoking?

Mauricio, I thought a 'moderator' is supposed to provide balance to the forum - perhaps I'm mistaken?

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Hmm, 2100Mhz in the cities, 850 GSM/EDGE elsewhere, 1X and EVDO already extensively deployed. Wonder what the worldmode roadmap looks like? EVDO that juha describes as "nothing much wrong" widely deployed nationally for NZ mobile data, global voice and data roaming and handset issues sorted.

Interesting times coming.

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Reply # 73966 8-Jun-2007 10:46
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on2it: sbiddle> What is Mark Ratcliffe smoking?

Mauricio, I thought a 'moderator' is supposed to provide balance to the forum - perhaps I'm mistaken?


Hmmm. Nothing wrong with the comment. It is a figure of speech, showing disbelieve...

Back on topic.




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