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  #1029864 23-Apr-2014 15:45
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Ragnor:

Time to check the major network hardware vendor's site to see if there are any new press releases/case studies mentioning Telecom NZ.

They were using Bluecoat Cacheflow in 2011...


Telecom use Bluecoat devices for HTTP caching, but have never used them for traffic shaping.




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  #1029866 23-Apr-2014 15:46
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nakedmolerat: Why do they fail with unlimited plan few years ago?

Why Orcon or Slingshot didn't have the same issue?


It was more than a few years ago though, and technology has moved on a lot.

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  #1029869 23-Apr-2014 15:53
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scuwp: Shame the sales/retention team didn't know about this 12 hours ago! I may have stayed.  Too late now, will check in again in 12 months :-)




Didn't I say not to jump the gun over the non-existent TiVo metering until there was official word? ;) also the CSR's can get into quite a bit of trouble for leaking plan details before they've launched officially.




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  #1029872 23-Apr-2014 15:57
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It's certainly a big step sideways from Simon Moutter who basically pledged Telecom would never introduce flat rate broadband when he took over as CEO.


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  #1029876 23-Apr-2014 16:03
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mattwnz:
nakedmolerat: Why do they fail with unlimited plan few years ago?

Why Orcon or Slingshot didn't have the same issue?


It was more than a few years ago though, and technology has moved on a lot.


michaelmurfy:
scuwp: Shame the sales/retention team didn't know about this 12 hours ago! I may have stayed.  Too late now, will check in again in 12 months :-)


Didn't I say not to jump the gun over the non-existent TiVo metering until there was official word? ;) also the CSR's can DO get into quite a bit of trouble for leaking plan details before they've launched officially.


I think this out of all the conjecture I have read today these two statements most accurately reflects what is going on.

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  #1029888 23-Apr-2014 16:16
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sbiddle: It's certainly a big step sideways from Simon Moutter who basically pledged Telecom would never introduce flat rate broadband when he took over as CEO.



when the market changes, he changes his mind.   good.

Sticking stoicly to a position in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary is stupid.

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  #1029892 23-Apr-2014 16:19
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NonprayingMantis:
sbiddle: It's certainly a big step sideways from Simon Moutter who basically pledged Telecom would never introduce flat rate broadband when he took over as CEO.



when the market changes, he changes his mind.   good.

Sticking stoicly to a position in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary is stupid.


But it's a very interesting move when the home of the internet (US) is moving towards data caps and the recent estimate that 78% will have data caps once the Time Warner and Comcast merger occurs.

There is certainly no justification now for NZers saying they're hard done by when it comes to internet access.



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  #1029901 23-Apr-2014 16:23
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sbiddle: [snip]

There is certainly no justification now for NZers saying they're hard done by when it comes to internet access.


And we have a new winner for commonsense in the thread. Even before we launched an unlimited option this was true.

Your prize is that you get to go outside for a while and experience the beautiful country we live in :-)

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  #1029913 23-Apr-2014 16:29
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Talkiet:
sbiddle: [snip]

There is certainly no justification now for NZers saying they're hard done by when it comes to internet access.


And we have a new winner for commonsense in the thread. Even before we launched an unlimited option this was true.

Your prize is that you get to go outside for a while and experience the beautiful country we live in :-)



Don't start getting all Colonel Nathan R. Jessep on us Neil. :)

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  #1029915 23-Apr-2014 16:30
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sbiddle:
NonprayingMantis:
sbiddle: It's certainly a big step sideways from Simon Moutter who basically pledged Telecom would never introduce flat rate broadband when he took over as CEO.



when the market changes, he changes his mind.   good.

Sticking stoicly to a position in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary is stupid.


But it's a very interesting move when the home of the internet (US) is moving towards data caps and the recent estimate that 78% will have data caps once the Time Warner and Comcast merger occurs.

There is certainly no justification now for NZers saying they're hard done by when it comes to internet access.

absolutely right.


The main difference IMHO between here and the USA is that Comcast et al have nice fat cable pay TV ARPUs to protect.  They know that datacaps (even sizable ones) make people paranoid about using internet based alternatives that consume your datacap, like Netflix/iTunes/torrents,  so will quite happily introduce caps to ward those guys off.

Here in little old NZ, the only ISP with a pay TV business that has to worry about that is Vodafone.   They also happen to be the only major provider not to have an unlimited option, and the slowest provider to even raise their caps (they only just bumped top end to 500GB, more than a year after Telecom did the same). Co-incidence?

Telecom's 'TV' business is going to be OTT (like Netflix, itunes etc), it's not IPTV multicast (like Vodafone),  which means it uses data just like any other normal part of the internet.  Not suprising therefore that they launch an unlimited plan just a few months before that business launches as they will want as many people to buy the streaming video service as possible. 

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  #1029958 23-Apr-2014 17:20
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This means that basically all the major NZ ISP's offer unlimited now except Vodafone. Hopefully they get an unlimited plan soon

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  #1029960 23-Apr-2014 17:24
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NonprayingMantis:

Telecom's 'TV' business is going to be OTT (like Netflix, itunes etc), it's not IPTV multicast (like Vodafone),  which means it uses data just like any other normal part of the internet.  Not suprising therefore that they launch an unlimited plan just a few months before that business launches as they will want as many people to buy the streaming video service as possible. 


I thought vodafone just did cable tv, am i missing something here?

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cbrpilot:
freitasm: I guess you don't have to ditch your plan. If you are in a plan you are grandfathered. New customers won't have the 500GB plan option, it's likely nothing changes for existing customers.



Correct.  There will be no forced migrations to unlimited.  If you are on a 500gig plan, you can stay on that plan.


Do you know if the new plans are offered as naked as well ?? , If I moved to unlimited from 500gb  can I still retain my savings being on naked vdsl ??




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cbrpilot:
freitasm: I guess you don't have to ditch your plan. If you are in a plan you are grandfathered. New customers won't have the 500GB plan option, it's likely nothing changes for existing customers.



Correct.  There will be no forced migrations to unlimited.  If you are on a 500gig plan, you can stay on that plan.


Do you know if the new plans are offered as naked as well ?? , If I moved to unlimited from 50gb I can still retain my savings being on naked vdsl ??


Yep - Apart from Naked Fibre isn't available yet: www.telecom.co.nz/internet/plans/naked/

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Presso:
cbrpilot:
freitasm: I guess you don't have to ditch your plan. If you are in a plan you are grandfathered. New customers won't have the 500GB plan option, it's likely nothing changes for existing customers.



Correct.  There will be no forced migrations to unlimited.  If you are on a 500gig plan, you can stay on that plan.


Do you know if the new plans are offered as naked as well ?? , If I moved to unlimited from 50gb I can still retain my savings being on naked vdsl ??


I was just looking at the naked plans and unlimited is there, go check them out.

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