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Reply # 1053668 26-May-2014 16:10
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Inphinity:
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So meh, just a marketing thing I reckon. Just trying to do the old one-up on VF - because VF kick a5s at doing things first.


Unfortunately in my experience, though, they rarely do it well. But let's not derail the thread...

Has there been any news on which are the first 4G CA devices we're likely to see on the market here?




Telecom: no HD voice, Voda has HD voice NZ wide / network wide.

Voda run NSN single RAN 2G/3G/4G from one vendor, Telecom 3G from Alcatel lucent / 4G Huawei.

4G far bigger coverage footprint from Voda and 3G dual carrier 90% of the mobile network!

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  Reply # 1053721 26-May-2014 16:48
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NonprayingMantis:
It's also something that VF will have a hard time reproducing - they don't have an army of phone boxes in public places to mount modems on. so it's pretty good as a service differentiator.


They do however have a myriad of cellsites in CBD areas (far more cellsites than that there are phoneboxes) and all the talk is of VF about to launch a massive WiFi network.

Personally I'm completely lost as to why anybody thinks this is a good idea however - it's quite frankly just stupid.



Large scale wifi networks from carriers imo aren't ideal until we can use something along the lines of EAP-SIM for secure connection and ease of auth.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1053745 26-May-2014 16:56
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eXDee:
sbiddle:
NonprayingMantis:
It's also something that VF will have a hard time reproducing - they don't have an army of phone boxes in public places to mount modems on. so it's pretty good as a service differentiator.


They do however have a myriad of cellsites in CBD areas (far more cellsites than that there are phoneboxes) and all the talk is of VF about to launch a massive WiFi network.

Personally I'm completely lost as to why anybody thinks this is a good idea however - it's quite frankly just stupid.



Large scale wifi networks from carriers imo aren't ideal until we can use something along the lines of EAP-SIM for secure connection and ease of auth.


Hotspot2.0 (assuming it eventually works properly)



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  Reply # 1053828 26-May-2014 18:31
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sbiddle:
eXDee:
sbiddle:
NonprayingMantis:
It's also something that VF will have a hard time reproducing - they don't have an army of phone boxes in public places to mount modems on. so it's pretty good as a service differentiator.


They do however have a myriad of cellsites in CBD areas (far more cellsites than that there are phoneboxes) and all the talk is of VF about to launch a massive WiFi network.

Personally I'm completely lost as to why anybody thinks this is a good idea however - it's quite frankly just stupid.



Large scale wifi networks from carriers imo aren't ideal until we can use something along the lines of EAP-SIM for secure connection and ease of auth.


Hotspot2.0 (assuming it eventually works properly)



That's the one.

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  Reply # 1053843 26-May-2014 19:01
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Inphinity:
chevrolux:
So meh, just a marketing thing I reckon. Just trying to do the old one-up on VF - because VF kick a5s at doing things first.


Unfortunately in my experience, though, they rarely do it well. But let's not derail the thread...

Has there been any news on which are the first 4G CA devices we're likely to see on the market here?




Telecom: no HD voice, Voda has HD voice NZ wide / network wide.

Voda run NSN single RAN 2G/3G/4G from one vendor, Telecom 3G from Alcatel lucent / 4G Huawei.

4G far bigger coverage footprint from Voda and 3G dual carrier 90% of the mobile network!

-Al



I think that HD voice as used here in NZ is a dead horse.  The US networks seem to be bypassing it and going to VoLTE..




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  Reply # 1053844 26-May-2014 19:01
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When is 4G launching in Hamilton Telecom? I switched from Telecom to Vodafone because I now get to use 4G on my phone (web browsing is much much quicker. It's easily noticeable), HD voice is actually cool (providing other person I talk to is on VF with a compatible handset) and prepaid top up's are so much easier to renew. It's great that both Telecom and Vodafone provide great coverage all around the country, but 4G is a big pull for me.




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  Reply # 1053865 26-May-2014 19:41
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old3eyes:
bigal_nz:
Inphinity:
chevrolux:
So meh, just a marketing thing I reckon. Just trying to do the old one-up on VF - because VF kick a5s at doing things first.


Unfortunately in my experience, though, they rarely do it well. But let's not derail the thread...

Has there been any news on which are the first 4G CA devices we're likely to see on the market here?




Telecom: no HD voice, Voda has HD voice NZ wide / network wide.

Voda run NSN single RAN 2G/3G/4G from one vendor, Telecom 3G from Alcatel lucent / 4G Huawei.

4G far bigger coverage footprint from Voda and 3G dual carrier 90% of the mobile network!

-Al



I think that HD voice as used here in NZ is a dead horse.  The US networks seem to be bypassing it and going to VoLTE..


No they're not, VoLTE is the dead horse. Ultimately we'll see it for what is, a poorly designed IMS based solution that never gains traction. 3G will remain the voice solution for many operators who have LTE networks, with OTT voice eventually dominating.



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  Reply # 1053935 26-May-2014 21:11
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billgates: When is 4G launching in Hamilton Telecom? I switched from Telecom to Vodafone because I now get to use 4G on my phone (web browsing is much much quicker. It's easily noticeable), HD voice is actually cool (providing other person I talk to is on VF with a compatible handset) and prepaid top up's are so much easier to renew. It's great that both Telecom and Vodafone provide great coverage all around the country, but 4G is a big pull for me.


If you look at RSM website for Hamilton, you'll see transpower have a license (1853.5-1867.5Mhz) that overlaps (by 1.5mhz) with Telecoms LTE1800 license (1830.0-1855.0Mhz).  In a nutshell they don't have spectrum rights to operate LTE1800 in Hamilton, probably the reason they are trialing the LTE700 there.

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  Reply # 1053943 26-May-2014 21:29
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billgates: When is 4G launching in Hamilton Telecom? I switched from Telecom to Vodafone because I now get to use 4G on my phone (web browsing is much much quicker. It's easily noticeable), HD voice is actually cool (providing other person I talk to is on VF with a compatible handset) and prepaid top up's are so much easier to renew. It's great that both Telecom and Vodafone provide great coverage all around the country, but 4G is a big pull for me.


If you look at RSM website for Hamilton, you'll see transpower have a license (1853.5-1867.5Mhz) that overlaps (by 1.5mhz) with Telecoms LTE1800 license (1830.0-1855.0Mhz).  In a nutshell they don't have spectrum rights to operate LTE1800 in Hamilton, probably the reason they are trialing the LTE700 there.


The existing TransPower usage rights for 1800 have caused massive issues - it caused quite significant delays to Vodafone's LTE launch.

I still don't know how existing legacy rights holders were still allowed to use spectrum that had been resold for GSM in the late 90's!



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  Reply # 1053954 26-May-2014 21:43
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Hmm...

Telecom carrier aggregation uses 20MHz of the 1800MHz spectrum band and 20MHz of the 2600MHz spectrum band.


langi27: If you look at RSM website for Hamilton, you'll see transpower have a license (1853.5-1867.5Mhz) that overlaps (by 1.5mhz) with Telecoms LTE1800 license (1830.0-1855.0Mhz).  In a nutshell they don't have spectrum rights to operate LTE1800 in Hamilton, probably the reason they are trialing the LTE700 there.

Here in Whakatane, NetSmart has rights to 2580-2620 MHz, and according to Wikipedia LTE2600 uses 2620-2690 for downlink. I've noticed that for some other services such as Freeview there are always gaps between services; is there potentially a problem with having NetSmart and LTE2600 jammed right up next to each other?

This does of course assume that 2600 will even be deployed here in the first place :)

Edit: Of course, Telecom only has rights to 20(?) MHz inside the 2600 band anyway so there could still be some wiggle room!

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  Reply # 1054044 27-May-2014 07:21
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2600 is best suited for providing either indoor or outdoor capacity in high density places open spaces.

People often incorrectly believe higher frequencies are bad because they don't propagate, but this is exactly why higher frequencies are great.

 

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  Reply # 1054096 27-May-2014 08:57
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If you look at RSM website for Hamilton, you'll see transpower have a license (1853.5-1867.5Mhz) that overlaps (by 1.5mhz) with Telecoms LTE1800 license (1830.0-1855.0Mhz).  In a nutshell they don't have spectrum rights to operate LTE1800 in Hamilton, probably the reason they are trialing the LTE700 there.


Telecom will have the Managment rights to some 1800 MHz spectrum across the country however the fixed links are incumbents and are being  progressivily moved out - the purchases of the MR's knew about it before they purchased. Both VF and TNZ have had and do get the odd fixed link issue, its one of the joys of being a band manager!


In addition, Telecom are trailing 700 MHz in Hamilton because of Field Days and nothing else. They have had other 700 MHz trials in other parts of the country in the past but the test licences just happen to occur at the same time as Field Days.

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  Reply # 1054687 27-May-2014 23:57
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Here are my results from Hamilton which they said was only for a select few but I got on.
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/859190058

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  Reply # 1056930 31-May-2014 04:31
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sbiddle: 2600 is best suited for providing either indoor or outdoor capacity in high density places open spaces.

People often incorrectly believe higher frequencies are bad because they don't propagate, but this is exactly why higher frequencies are great. 


IIRC doesn't 2600Mhz have a horrible time for those who want to get a signal inside a building? I'm just thinking of the experience I had with 2100mhz in the Hutt Valley inside a house and I'm hard pressed to understand why horrible propagation is a good thing. Maybe you can fill in the details on something I'm missing.




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  Reply # 1056938 31-May-2014 07:41
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The benefit of 2600Mhz is it's (poor) propagation.

Whether we're talking WiFi or mobile technologies, things have changed significantly in the last 10 years as we become hungry for bandwidth. Having single sites with large range isn't necessarily the goal when designing a network - in built up areas it's small cells with short range that provide high capacity in small areas. We're moving into an area where small cells are going to play a key role in network design, and high frequencies are perfect for this.

2.4Ghz WiFi is now pretty much a total piece of junk in built up areas because of the noise, for the very same reasons 60Ghz WiFi is the future because it will only work in the room where you've got the AP which will mean the average home may need 2-3 APs. Those who don't understand RF think this is a downside, anybody who does understand RF thinks it's the most exciting standard every proposed!

 


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