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  #96459 22-Nov-2007 20:17
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Maverick I admire your stance but I noticed that your company is not a member of ISPANZ I am interested to know the reason why. Personally I would vote you in for ISPANZ president

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#96462 22-Nov-2007 20:31
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Telecom New Zealand's new friend TelstraClear was the only provider I know who publicaly announced their support for this:


TelstraClear welcomes today’s announcement on plans to extend the national fast broadband network.

TelstraClear Group Manager Regulatory, Chris Abbott, says the announcement will lead to more New Zealanders receiving much talked about fast broadband, which is one part of the equation.

“To ensure that good news becomes a reality consumers will also need a choice of services, products and providers,” he says.

“To achieve that, TelstraClear’s focus remains on getting the “road rules” right to ensure there is equal access for providers so the consumer can be assured of innovative products and services.”

The road rules need to keep pace with the significant change in the industry.

This will allow providers to have the ability to deliver innovative and competitive services to New Zealanders.

TelstraClear already delivers high speed broadband over high speed networks in some parts of the country.

“We welcome the opportunity to extend those services to other parts of New Zealand and are happy to do so via another provider’s network as long as access and terms are set properly,” Abbott said.

TelstraClear looks forward to working constructively with Telecom on its earlier promises to provide wholesale access in the new environment.


TelstraClear will expand on those issues in its submission on operational separation due on Friday.





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  #96475 22-Nov-2007 22:02
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PaulBrislen:
Care to actually back that up with a quote, because from what I have read and seen, the plan has been to sell ALL of the exchange land, and put cabinets in everywhere.

Certainly. Here's Telecom's press release announcing its investment:


Examples of townships that will benefit from the enhanced access network include Edgecumbe and Ngatea in the North Island, and Methven, Riverton, Pleasant Point and Waikouaiti in the South Island.

 

Yes - Telecom said they are going to use cabinets in rural NZ (Shocking I know, lower cost product to service lower revenue areas.)

 

But - Where did Telecom actually say "...use cabinets in regional New Zealand, not in the heart of the network..." As you claim they did? I have not read this anywhere, apart from you claiming it. 

 

I think you need to go back and re-read what I said about Point Chev. For long runs, 2KM plus, then cabinetisation makes perfect sense. For sub-2KM loops it does not.

 

Why does it not make sense to reduce your network footprint from a 400-800 Square Metre property/exchange to a 2 Square Metre exchange. I would have thought the cost savings would have been huge - but you have different figures??? Really???

 

Of course we asked. We've asked, Orcon has asked, the journalists have asked and the Commerce Commission has asked. Yesterday Telecom told us. Nobody expected Telecom to shut down the very exchanges we're using to test equipment on Telecom's network. Why should we? Telecom suggested the exchanges to use for testing.

 

I doubt you asked the correct questions. My first question a year ago when LLU was being released was so what? all the exchanges are going to turned into cabinets, and the exchange land sold. There was a article in the local rag "NZ Herald" about it a year ago.

 

So in essence your whole game plan was to purchase expensive equipment and put them into buildings your competitor publicly stated they were selling as part of their Next Generation Network rollout, which they wrote articles about in the paper, and took a road tour to discuss, and published white papers about? They did all of this as a master plan to keep this information hidden from you, and to offer customers faster broadband. 

Now your upset? 

 

 

 





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  #96479 22-Nov-2007 22:39
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I just have to wonder about the whole telco sector when even the trolley boy at the local supermarket knows that Telecom are dumping virtually all of their existing exchange sites and replacing them with a FTTN network and yet numerous telco's don't seem to know what's happening in the sector!

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#96480 22-Nov-2007 22:42
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sbiddle: I just have to wonder about the whole telco sector when even the trolley boy at the local supermarket knows that Telecom are dumping virtually all of their existing exchange sites and replacing them with a FTTN network and yet numerous telco's don't seem to know what's happening in the sector!


Don't forget that the trolley boy often has more brains than the average telco

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  #96484 22-Nov-2007 23:24
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I am glad that there will be cabinetization of the network, because with just LLU I would be stuck on the end of the same piece of crappy copper that only syncs in the low 2 megs.

If they didnt do this, then entire suburbs would be stuck not able to get speeds fast enough to even hold up the internet of yesterday. I am looking foward to the day that they slap a dslam at the end of the road and I get decent speeds.

As for vodafone crying about it. Stick your own cabinet in, and do what telecom are doing, stop being such cheapskates that you have to freeload off others investment. The only customers that will be coming off the exchanges you are putting gear into are the ones that get crap speeds as it is, and if they end up with a choise between good speeds off the telecom cabinet or crap speeds off your dslam in the exchange then it serves you right when none choose your service.




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#96507 23-Nov-2007 08:03
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To summarise:

1.Most entrants have very low knowledge of telco market and technologies

2.Most entrants have very bad strategists and architects that couldn't figure out 12 or 24 months ago what would happen when Telecom New Zealand put out their plans

3.Most entrants still believe that someone else should bear the investment costs while they only "co-locate"

4.Most entrants are just going to be "naturals" and put their hardware where the money is - no investments anywhere else leaving it to the incumbent to do it, then asking for access.

5.Most people on the strets and mainstrean media bash Telecom New Zealand because they are Telecom New Zealand, regardless of they actually doing a good job in deploying technology.




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  #96510 23-Nov-2007 08:25
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Everybody please take note: new entrants are NOT freeloading. The fees they pay to Telecom cover all Telecom's costs plus an amount for return on investment and risk. All they are avoiding are the high up-front investment costs which are beyond the capability of small companies. If they use Telecom's network long enough they will end up paying more than if they build their own network in the first place.




 

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freitasm: To summarise:

5.Most people on the strets and mainstrean media bash Telecom New Zealand because they are Telecom New Zealand, regardless of they actually doing a good job in deploying technology.


Personally I continue to 'bash' Telecom because they provide bad customer service, treat me like an idiot, do not follow-up on faults, lose all evidence of having logged a fault three days in a row and didn't provide a 'fit for purpose' service. These issues are all resolved for me now but I cringe every time I have to make contact with Telecom. I am heartened by the proposed roll-out of new technology discussed here if it will mean better service but I have yet to see any evidence of improved customer service.

I am concerned about some of the discussion here because, if the proposed cabinetisation plans make it more difficult for Telecom's competititors to provide a choice to customers, the ability to provide real competitive offerings appears to be limited.

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#96514 23-Nov-2007 08:37
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tstone: I am concerned about some of the discussion here because, if the proposed cabinetisation plans make it more difficult for Telecom's competititors to provide a choice to customers, the ability to provide real competitive offerings appears to be limited.


Is there anything preventing those companies of putting money into their own infrastructure?

No, I didn't think so...




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  #96515 23-Nov-2007 08:45
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freitasm:

Is there anything preventing those companies of putting money into their own infrastructure?

No, I didn't think so...


Perhaps the ability for a company worth a few million dollars or a few tens of millions to borrow hundreds of millions?




 

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#96517 23-Nov-2007 08:46
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I know... I would love to take Geekzone to the next level, but that requires capital I can't afford myself.

Then enters "partnerships"...




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Yes it's a little bit rich when one of those companies complaing happens to be the 16th largest company in the world and the largest Telco in the world.

They could roll out thier own network tomorrow and then offer it to thier 'small isp' buddies tomorrow.

I won't be holding my breath...


EDIT: Oh and Paul you may not being putting out press realeases complaing about Telecom because there is to much 'noise' but I'm inclined to think its because you  have your company* has zero creditablity, I remember when Ihug was crowing over the Xtra bubble saga when thier own email platform had been anything but reliable over the last 12 months, the only diffrence being that Xtra actulley compensated thier customers. Oh and don't get me started on your billing system.


* Sorry I meant company the whole time but upon reading it again it looks like I am playing the man, not intentional.





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freitasm: I know... I would love to take Geekzone to the next level, but that requires capital I can't afford myself.

Then enters "partnerships"...


HAHAHA!!
One can only hope.

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#96593 23-Nov-2007 16:21
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TinyTim:
freitasm:

Is there anything preventing those companies of putting money into their own infrastructure?

No, I didn't think so...


Perhaps the ability for a company worth a few million dollars or a few tens of millions to borrow hundreds of millions?


I guess we'll start seeing school children selling cookies, raising funds for these poor companies like Vodafone (largest telco in the world) ... poor poor telcos.




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