Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




311 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 3


Topic # 175480 1-Jul-2015 10:56
Send private message

Hi,

From: http://www.spark.co.nz/shop/mobile/internationalroaming/gettingreadytoroam.html


Prepaid customers will receive a charge for any voicemail’s deposited in their voicemail box while roaming, even if their device is switched off. This is charged at the standard per min rate for receiving calls while roaming. Alternatively, you can turn off voicemail while you’re overseas by calling us.


This means that I'll be paying per minute rate when someone leaves a message which is fine.

Would it be correct to assume that the charge starts when the greeting message is being played? EG: I will pay for receiving a message even if the caller doesn't leave a message (hangs up during the greeting before the beep)?

Thanks.

Create new topic


311 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 3


  Reply # 1334830 1-Jul-2015 11:07
Send private message

Interestingly enough (and kinda fair), 2degress states the following:


If you would prefer you can divert all calls to voicemail to avoid any extra charges while roaming. To do this use the "Divert All' menu item on your mobile, and divert calls to +64 22 202 2000. Then all calls will be automatically sent to voicemail.


Could someone confirm that if I redirect all calls immediately to Voicemail, no surcharge will be applied? It makes sense since the call will never leave the country if the immediate voicemail redirect will be in place.

n4

955 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 73


  Reply # 1334899 1-Jul-2015 11:38
Send private message

Based on the way its written, no, I think it most likely you will be charged. A permanent divert is in effect the same as having the device switched off in terms of the way it works on the network.




Huawei Mate 7, on 2degrees

 
 
 
 




311 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 3


  Reply # 1334903 1-Jul-2015 11:40
Send private message

Do I read it wrong?



If you would prefer you can divert all calls to voicemail to avoid any extra charges while roaming


Doesn't this mean that I'm avoiding (eg: not incurring) any charges if I divert all calls?

(obviously this statement relates only to 2degress)

n4

955 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 73


  Reply # 1334908 1-Jul-2015 11:43
Send private message

tcpdump: Do I read it wrong?



If you would prefer you can divert all calls to voicemail to avoid any extra charges while roaming


Doesn't this mean that I'm avoiding (eg: not incurring) any charges if I divert all calls?

(obviously this statement relates only to 2degress)


Sorry yes not very clear on my part, no charge on 2degrees but I expect charged on Spark.




Huawei Mate 7, on 2degrees



311 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 3


  Reply # 1334913 1-Jul-2015 11:44
Send private message

I'm waiting on their live chat as suggested by someone on the other thread. Let's see.

cisconz
1162 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 76

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1334915 1-Jul-2015 11:45
Send private message

n4: Based on the way its written, no, I think it most likely you will be charged. A permanent divert is in effect the same as having the device switched off in terms of the way it works on the network.


Are you sure?

From what I understand, calls are handed to the roaming partner, then if your device is off isn't answered, they are handed back to the NZ telco incurring a roaming charge.

A Divert in contrast, never leaves the NZ Telco to incur the charge

Also if your phone is turned off, the roaming partner tells the NZ Telco to not bother sending calls to them.

Edit - Corrected information




Hmmmm



311 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 3


  Reply # 1334922 1-Jul-2015 11:52
Send private message

The live chat person didn't seem too confident in answering but it seem to suggest that it will incur a charge no matter what settings are in place (like unconditional divert).

Bummer. I wasn't necessarily keen in porting to 2degrees but at least their website is quite clear.

2060 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 225

Subscriber

  Reply # 1334924 1-Jul-2015 11:57
Send private message

tcpdump: The live chat person didn't seem too confident in answering but it seem to suggest that it will incur a charge no matter what settings are in place (like unconditional divert).

Bummer. I wasn't necessarily keen in porting to 2degrees but at least their website is quite clear.


Hopefully one of the bright Sparks (sorry, couldn't resist) will be along soon to confirm.

If you have an unconditional divert you shouldn't incur any roaming charges for incoming calls, you won't receive any calls but you will obviously be charged for any outgoing calls or data usage.



311 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 3


  Reply # 1334925 1-Jul-2015 11:59
Send private message

This would be my expectation as well but let's see if someone will notice the thread.

Thanks for your help.

n4

955 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 73


  Reply # 1334934 1-Jul-2015 12:01
Send private message

cisconz:
n4: Based on the way its written, no, I think it most likely you will be charged. A permanent divert is in effect the same as having the device switched off in terms of the way it works on the network.


Are you sure?

From what I understand, calls are handed to the roaming partner, then if your device is off isn't answered, they are handed back to the NZ telco incurring a roaming charge.

A Divert in contrast, never leaves the NZ Telco to incur the charge

Also if your phone is turned off, the roaming partner tells the NZ Telco to not bother sending calls to them.

Edit - Corrected information


No, if your phone is turned off, the roaming partner tells the NZ telco (when it is turned off) and thereafter it is the same as having a permanent divert in place (as far as the call routing goes).




Huawei Mate 7, on 2degrees



311 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 3


  Reply # 1334937 1-Jul-2015 12:03
Send private message

n4:
cisconz:
n4: Based on the way its written, no, I think it most likely you will be charged. A permanent divert is in effect the same as having the device switched off in terms of the way it works on the network.


Are you sure?

From what I understand, calls are handed to the roaming partner, then if your device is off isn't answered, they are handed back to the NZ telco incurring a roaming charge.

A Divert in contrast, never leaves the NZ Telco to incur the charge

Also if your phone is turned off, the roaming partner tells the NZ Telco to not bother sending calls to them.

Edit - Corrected information


No, if your phone is turned off, the roaming partner tells the NZ telco (when it is turned off) and thereafter it is the same as having a permanent divert in place (as far as the call routing goes).


Hmm, their roaming FAQ states:


Prepaid customers will receive a charge for any voicemail’s deposited in their voicemail box while roaming, even if their device is switched off. This is charged at the standard per min rate for receiving calls while roaming. Alternatively, you can turn off voicemail while you’re overseas by calling us.




cisconz
1162 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 76

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 1334938 1-Jul-2015 12:06
Send private message

tcpdump:

Hmm, their roaming FAQ states:


Prepaid customers will receive a charge for any voicemail’s deposited in their voicemail box while roaming, even if their device is switched off. This is charged at the standard per min rate for receiving calls while roaming. Alternatively, you can turn off voicemail while you’re overseas by calling us.





Seems to me like they are making some coin somewhere




Hmmmm

Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Why I'm not an early adopter
Posted 21-Nov-2017 10:39


Netatmo launches smart home products in New Zealand
Posted 20-Nov-2017 20:06


Huawei Mate 10: Punchy, long battery life, artificial intelligence
Posted 20-Nov-2017 16:30


Propel launch Disney Star Wars Laser Battle Drones
Posted 19-Nov-2017 21:26


UFB killer app: Speed
Posted 17-Nov-2017 17:01


The case for RSS — MacSparky
Posted 13-Nov-2017 14:35


WordPress and Indieweb: Take control of your online presence — 6:30 GridAKL Nov 30
Posted 11-Nov-2017 13:43


Chorus reveals technology upgrade for schools, students
Posted 10-Nov-2017 10:28


Vodafone says Internet of Things (IoT) crucial for digital transformation
Posted 10-Nov-2017 10:06


Police and Facebook launch AMBER Alerts system in NZ
Posted 9-Nov-2017 10:49


Amazon debuts Fire TV Stick Basic Edition in over 100 new countries
Posted 8-Nov-2017 05:34


Vodafone VoIP transition to start this month
Posted 7-Nov-2017 12:33


Spark enhances IoT network capability
Posted 7-Nov-2017 11:33


Vocus NZ sale and broadband competition
Posted 6-Nov-2017 14:36


Hawaiki reaches key milestone in landmark deep-sea fibre project
Posted 4-Nov-2017 13:53



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.