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  #1461525 5-Jan-2016 12:02
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No, on the other corner of the frontage.



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  #1461567 5-Jan-2016 12:27
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Pictures playing up. So can't post. But yes, I did see the flat fibre thing across outside 31 Upham terrace. 

This said, I can say it is possible to proceed with fibre connection without any consent from my neighbors mainly because my copper entry point is from Upham Terrace side (not Northbrook court shared driveway). I think that is more than valid. I am getting my consent from my landlord/property manager hopefully today. I will ring Spark as soon as I have it. 

This is really better than waiting for something with indefinite timeframe (port waiter). At least I have two going on: adsl and fibre. 

Anything else, please feel free to reply to this post. It is very much appreciated!

Rudi

 
 
 
 


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  #1461577 5-Jan-2016 12:33
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If you are desperate for a connection, It looks like your addy is inside Skinny's 4g broadband area

So you can have 60GB at 4G speed for $55 a month, -

https://www.skinny.co.nz/broadband/

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  #1461585 5-Jan-2016 12:38
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can you have 2 orders in at the same time? ie one for fibre and one for ADSL?



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  #1461587 5-Jan-2016 12:39
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wellygary: If you are desperate for a connection, It looks like your addy is inside Skinny's 4g broadband area

So you can have 60GB at 4G speed for $55 a month, -

https://www.skinny.co.nz/broadband/


Man, this deal is awesome :P

I will take a look at it. Good thing to have on interim.

Thanks Gary



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  #1461588 5-Jan-2016 12:40
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Jase2985: can you have 2 orders in at the same time? ie one for fibre and one for ADSL?


Got two conflicting advise on this. Can and cant. I guess I will find out when I start the fibre application.

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  #1461804 5-Jan-2016 16:52
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DarthKermit:
Rktcabuay: My question is regarding consent from neighbors on shared driveway. I was advised by Spark to go house to house and pass on the consent form. I don't mind doing that but before I do so, can any one confirm it is really necessary?

Rudi from Palmy


Hi Rudi,
Yes, you'll have to get consent from all the people you share the driveway with. Looking on http://geoguide.palmerstonnorth.com/ there are houses 2, 4, 6, 8 in your court.

Unfortunately until the law is reformed (don't hold your breath), you'll have to go thru this red tape bullcrap.

-DarthKermit (also in Palmy Nth)





Why when it really doesn't need to go up the driveway, for instance it could go from roadside through the fence directly to his house without ever going anywhere near the driveway if that's the case then he needn't bother with the neighbours at all 

 
 
 
 




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  #1461813 5-Jan-2016 17:17
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My thoughts exactly hence this topic. I think it's been suggested since copper entry point is not through driveway, I may get one without my neighbours consent.

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  #1461816 5-Jan-2016 17:29
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Athlonite: Why when it really doesn't need to go up the driveway, for instance it could go from roadside through the fence directly to his house without ever going anywhere near the driveway if that's the case then he needn't bother with the neighbours at all 


because if the copper leadin was from the driveway then he would have to go through consent, but its looking likely that its going to be a stand alone job

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  #1461904 5-Jan-2016 20:14
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Ok here is my quick assesment of your UFB situation ( I work in Palmy area) - You are in a fixed fibre area - not blown fibre - no trenching of micro ducting etc

Your copper connection is via what is called a fully ducted or Pit & Pipe system  - the copper terminal is below ground in that it OS no 28 , from there there is a 50mm duct underthe footpath along infront of your house a beyond - off that 50mm duct will be a 20mm tee and a 20mm pipe across under your front lawn and into the demarc (ETP) on the side of your house

Your UFB connection would therefore follow a similar path from the bigger PIT (Cream fibre lid with round Channel Logo), also OS 28 through the smailer copper pit and via the duct and cionduit to the side of your house (Fibre ETP added there )

You will most likely find that this is how UFB will be delivered to you so therefore you wont need to get consent for any extenton of the UFB communial network up the ROW. More than likely it will already be ducted anyway- The planes that I have for the area (stored on my Laptop) were updated when the UFB network was installed but not when Northbrook Ct was done

BTW if the forms you copied out are the consent to install doc - NDF-240 Ultra-Fast Broadband Installation Consent Form v3.0 , as printed on the bottom of the page, wouldnt be any good anyway as those are the (paper version of the) consent to install in, on & outside a single dwelling - which is now done electonicaly, with an install tech,when a 'scope' is done of the exact requirements of your install.

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  #1461970 5-Jan-2016 21:34
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InstallerUFB: Ok here is my quick assesment of your UFB situation ( I work in Palmy area) - You are in a fixed fibre area - not blown fibre - no trenching of micro ducting etc

Your copper connection is via what is called a fully ducted or Pit & Pipe system  - the copper terminal is below ground in that it OS no 28 , from there there is a 50mm duct underthe footpath along infront of your house a beyond - off that 50mm duct will be a 20mm tee and a 20mm pipe across under your front lawn and into the demarc (ETP) on the side of your house

Your UFB connection would therefore follow a similar path from the bigger PIT (Cream fibre lid with round Channel Logo), also OS 28 through the smailer copper pit and via the duct and cionduit to the side of your house (Fibre ETP added there )

You will most likely find that this is how UFB will be delivered to you so therefore you wont need to get consent for any extenton of the UFB communial network up the ROW. More than likely it will already be ducted anyway- The planes that I have for the area (stored on my Laptop) were updated when the UFB network was installed but not when Northbrook Ct was done

BTW if the forms you copied out are the consent to install doc - NDF-240 Ultra-Fast Broadband Installation Consent Form v3.0 , as printed on the bottom of the page, wouldnt be any good anyway as those are the (paper version of the) consent to install in, on & outside a single dwelling - which is now done electonicaly, with an install tech,when a 'scope' is done of the exact requirements of your install.

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Thank you for the very detailed reply. I had to read it more than 5x with a lot of Google in between. Lol

But I think what really matters is the fact I do not need consent from my neighbors up Northbrook Ct because fibre will be going through our house the same way copper does. So thanks for validating and confirming that.

I now have the form below back from our property manager (is this the right one?):

New Form

Not this which you said is invalid (googled NDF-240 UFB Installation Consent form and found this):

Old form

I will ring Spark tomorrow to get the ball rolling on this new UFB connection. I'm not too sure though if I can be on both ADSL port waiter and Fibre new connection. I've had conflicting advice on this. On the interim, I have availed the prepaid Skinny Wireless broadband $55 for 60GB. Modem will be delivered tomorrow. So if I need to cancel the ADSL1 order, I will to give way to UFB.

So things are falling into places little by little. Thanks all for your help.

Rudi

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  #1462006 5-Jan-2016 22:19
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Rktcabuay: Happy New Year all! 

We still don't have internet in this house we moved last Dec. It didn't work out with 2degrees so I switched back to Spark VDSL. Then I was informed I can't have it (address checker said I can). Thus, I was moved to ADSL1. Still not connected as I am on port waiter. Waiting sucks. I've been backreading and it seems like there's not much I can do but WAIT.

With a little bit of hope, UFB is available in my area. There's a hold put on our address as there wasn't any consent from building representative. I rang the property manager (yes, we're renting) and he said does not have any problem signing one off. Great! 

My question is regarding consent from neighbors on shared driveway. I was advised by Spark to go house to house and pass on the consent form. I don't mind doing that but before I do so, can any one confirm it is really necessary? Photos below:

 

I hope to hear from you. It's been frustrating not having internet at home.

Thanks!

Rudi from Palmy


Generally....It's really necessary. But it sounds like it may not be for you (as above). 

Background: 

Fibre-optic hasn't yet been legislated as an essential service, so it's completely discretionary and all parties to a shared access must agree....or nothing happens. Chorus advise you to talk to your neighbours as - generally - you may have an existing relationship with them and be able to get consent. They need only go online and click that they agree. But if they are all tenants,  then it is the landlords / property managers who must agree.  This held me up for about 6 months. Chorus originally proposed a design that one property owner wouldn't agree to.....and we didn't know which one it was and they were not known to us (landlords of another property). Most of the 6 months that was wasted was because we didn't just ring the person up and talk to him. Had we done that, we could have cleared the problem up in a day. Eventually we got past the issue when one of his own tenants ordered fibre and the dealt with the objection himself.




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  #1462013 5-Jan-2016 22:30
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Rktcabuay:
InstallerUFB: Ok here is my quick assesment of your UFB situation ( I work in Palmy area) - You are in a fixed fibre area - not blown fibre - no trenching of micro ducting etc

Your copper connection is via what is called a fully ducted or Pit & Pipe system  - the copper terminal is below ground in that Pit outside no 28 , from there there is a 50mm duct under the footpath along infront of your house and beyond - off that 50mm duct will be a 20mm tee and a 20mm pipe/conduit across under your front lawn and into the demarc (ETP) on the side of your house

Your UFB connection would therefore follow a similar path from the bigger PIT (Cream fibrecement like lid with round Channel Logo in black plastic on it ), also outside 28, - through the smailer copper pit and via the duct and conduit to the side of your house (Fibre ETP added there instead of or above the copper ETP (External Test Point))

You will most likely find that this is how UFB will be delivered to you.  So therefore - you wont need to get consent, for any extenton of the UFB communial network, up the ROW.  More than likely the ROW will already be ducted anyway- The planes that I have for the area (stored on my Laptop) were updated when the UFB network was installed but not when Northbrook Ct was done

BTW if the forms you copied out are the consent to install doc - NDF-240 Ultra-Fast Broadband Installation Consent Form v3.0 (as printed on the bottom of the form) they wouldnt be any good anyway, as a ROW Consent, as those are the (paper version of the) consent to install in, on & outside a single dwelling - which is now done electonicaly, with an install tech,when a 'scope' is done of the exact requirements of your install.

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Thank you for the very detailed reply. I had to read it more than 5x with a lot of Google in between. Lol

But I think what really matters is the fact I do not need consent from my neighbors up Northbrook Ct because fibre will be going through our house the same way copper does. So thanks for validating and confirming that.

Correct you will not need ROW consent


I now have the form below back from our property manager (is this the right one?):

New Form

That is the ROW consent that you dont need - keep hold of it anyway


Not this which you said is invalid (googled NDF-240 UFB Installation Consent form and found this):

Old form


Its not invalid - its the one we leave on, the scope visit, If the requester isnt home or dosent want to sign the electronic version just then because they havent gained permission from Landlord/property mngr or thier boss (real or implied) yet. 

I edited my original reply in this rereply as well (and again to fix up the text codeinglaughing

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  #1462026 5-Jan-2016 23:05
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Rktcabuay, you're lucky that InstallerUFB came across your thread. He's one of the very helpful guys from Chorus who post on here. smile

We're getting UFB installed fairly soon at our house (no cross lease or RoW to worry about here), it'll be exciting as it comes to pass.



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  #1462041 5-Jan-2016 23:35
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Ok. Just to clarify so that I will be properly guided, how do I go about getting fibre connected? If the ROW form isn't the exact thing that is required (but may still be handy), then what is? I need one as there's a hold on my address due to non-consent from building representative (which isn't the case now). If the other form NDF 240 is now done electronically with a tech after a scope as to what needs to be done to get connected, then what is the next step? I will ring Spark tomorrow but I just want to know these things to overcome possible objections--consent, ROW, etc.

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