Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 


254 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1523695 1-Apr-2016 08:25
Send private message

hio77:

 

Quick rundown for you. - Okay not as Quick as jace but detailed and fast! .....

 

 

 

*Heres hoping dinner didnt burn in the quick minute i fired this out for you! ;)

 

 

wow, very detailed indeed!  Thanks for the info! Can confirm that I'm on an 8b connection.  So I guess I'll just have to sit tight and wait!

 

 

 

Which leads me to a slightly off topic question... If I can get up to 100/40 on this connection, would there be any compelling reason for me to switch to fibre then with those speeds?  I'm actually relatively happy with my current speed atm anyway.. 


9795 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #1523750 1-Apr-2016 09:29
Send private message

fibre is more reliable, and less prone to interference generally speaking


 
 
 
 


1290 posts

Uber Geek


  #1523787 1-Apr-2016 10:26
Send private message

Blurtie:

 

Which leads me to a slightly off topic question... If I can get up to 100/40 on this connection, would there be any compelling reason for me to switch to fibre then with those speeds?  I'm actually relatively happy with my current speed atm anyway.. 

 

 

IMO yes, unless you have sufficient need for the extra upload speed. Fibre is cheaper, more consistent (speeds won't vary due to changing line conditions), and has the option of faster plans. It should also have (slightly) lower latency.





rm *


'That VDSL Cat'
12453 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Spark
Subscriber

  #1523835 1-Apr-2016 11:12
Send private message

Fibre is an obvious choice over any copper product for a single connection.

 

 

 

while VDSL can be fast to the point you will find it hard to consider alternatives, it all comes back to being a copper product.

 

DLM can bite you, know people who have lost 17a for no explainable reason, 80/40 straight down to 60/10. latency can spike right up, 16 ms each way at the top end on vdsl just to the DSLAM itself!

 

Interference, Crosstalk and so on can have you waking up one day and have a connection acting totally different. 

 

copper provides an maximum achievable connection rate rather than a burstable maximum rate (This is where fibre gets into the whole CIR vs PIR situation).

 

 

 

fibre is where the future is at. We are already seeing isps start offering 100/50 as their base plan rather than 30/10. This makes it competitive with even the fastest of vdsl lines. Consider things like IPTV (currently vodafone are the only ones AFAIK that offer this) and the many more services that could come into play with fibre.

 

 

 

The biggest advantage to fibre in itself is while copper is already being squeezed to its maximum potential, fibre will be a case of in years to come replacing the bit at each end as the technology becomes more cost effective to enable even faster speeds without looking at congestion.

 

Its network itself is prominently passive, this takes out the whole situation of cabinets being powered on the side of the road and such. While fibre is a lot more fragile, the the ducting and such it is all delivered in does a very effective job at protecting it.

 

 

 

fibre can be a hassle to get installed, unlike copper it is not already installed everywhere. Processes are being changed to help this along though and as it becomes more common it will get easier to just happen. In the intern, absolutely VDSL is a awesome product but it shouldnt really be your end-goal.





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 




254 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1525297 3-Apr-2016 18:38
Send private message

Awesome, thanks guys.  Will look to sign up for fibre soon.  Property is down a shared driveway, so I'm expecting the whole process to take a while.  

 

In the mean time, I am pretty happy with the speed of VDSL so far (coming from ADSL of 16/1).

 

Unfortunately I had to restart my modem/router, and it has affected the speed (according to speedtest.net), but nothing noticeable in real world settings.  


'That VDSL Cat'
12453 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Spark
Subscriber

  #1525300 3-Apr-2016 18:50
Send private message

Blurtie:

 

Awesome, thanks guys.  Will look to sign up for fibre soon.  Property is down a shared driveway, so I'm expecting the whole process to take a while.  

 

In the mean time, I am pretty happy with the speed of VDSL so far (coming from ADSL of 16/1).

 

Unfortunately I had to restart my modem/router, and it has affected the speed (according to speedtest.net), but nothing noticeable in real world settings.  

 

 

 

 

Give it time, Your in the starting period of DLM. it is alot more agressive at this stage.

 

 

 

Its not uncommon to see a move to the 12dB snr profiles (which will be slower speed) compared to the default 9dB 8b profiles before rolling over to 17a.

 

 

 

As you have already noted, the volatile nature of VDSL is why fibre is ultimately the best move.

 

 

 

 

 

In your case, ild assume your VDSL installation involved a master filter installation? your ADSL speed seems a little low for where it should have been in this first place. - Null issue, but sudden Realization none the less.

 

Best of luck with your fibre installation, in your case absolutely VDSL first, then work towards fibre. It will take some time to deal the shared driveway. luckily that process is easier than it was at first now-days.





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 




254 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1525588 4-Apr-2016 10:05
Send private message

hio77: Give it time, Your in the starting period of DLM. it is alot more agressive at this stage.

 

 

 

Its not uncommon to see a move to the 12dB snr profiles (which will be slower speed) compared to the default 9dB 8b profiles before rolling over to 17a.

 

 

 

As you have already noted, the volatile nature of VDSL is why fibre is ultimately the best move.

 

 

 

 

 

In your case, ild assume your VDSL installation involved a master filter installation? your ADSL speed seems a little low for where it should have been in this first place. - Null issue, but sudden Realization none the less.

 

Best of luck with your fibre installation, in your case absolutely VDSL first, then work towards fibre. It will take some time to deal the shared driveway. luckily that process is easier than it was at first now-days.

 

 

 

 

Excellent news.. just got bumped up to 17a by the looks and getting around 90/35.  Gotta be happy with that!

 

No masterfilter was installed with this connection (so I assume that there's one already??), the previously quoted ADSL speeds were from my previous place we rented..  


 
 
 
 


'That VDSL Cat'
12453 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Spark
Subscriber

  #1525596 4-Apr-2016 10:11
Send private message

I though speeds quoted were the same location so that makes a lot of sense.

 

 

 

Great to hear my prediction and assumption that it was doing the 17a move was on point! 90/35 is within the ballpark of where i predicted.

 

 

 

Enjoy!





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 


6434 posts

Uber Geek


  #1525604 4-Apr-2016 10:25
Send private message

Blurtie:

 

hio77: Give it time, Your in the starting period of DLM. it is alot more agressive at this stage.

 

 

 

Its not uncommon to see a move to the 12dB snr profiles (which will be slower speed) compared to the default 9dB 8b profiles before rolling over to 17a.

 

 

 

As you have already noted, the volatile nature of VDSL is why fibre is ultimately the best move.

 

 

 

 

 

In your case, ild assume your VDSL installation involved a master filter installation? your ADSL speed seems a little low for where it should have been in this first place. - Null issue, but sudden Realization none the less.

 

Best of luck with your fibre installation, in your case absolutely VDSL first, then work towards fibre. It will take some time to deal the shared driveway. luckily that process is easier than it was at first now-days.

 

 

 

 

Excellent news.. just got bumped up to 17a by the looks and getting around 90/35.  Gotta be happy with that!

 

No masterfilter was installed with this connection (so I assume that there's one already??), the previously quoted ADSL speeds were from my previous place we rented..  

 

 

 

 

maybe, maybe not.

 

do you have a single jack point which is the only one in the house that works for broadband?  It's likely marked 'VDSL' or 'Broadband'.

 

If multiple jack points work for VDSL, then you don't have a master filter.

 

 

 

 


'That VDSL Cat'
12453 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Spark
Subscriber

  #1525608 4-Apr-2016 10:29
Send private message

Oh. i did miss the point on the master filter.

 

Bigpipe dont do a full VDSL installation, so master filter does not come with it.

 

 

 

in your case, a master filter might give you an extra 10mbit if your lucky but you are getting close to that line already. What a master filter could do for you is help reliability, error rates or anything else behind the scenes.

 

 

 

As above, simple way to tell if a master filter is installed.





#include <std_disclaimer>

 

Any comments made are personal opinion and do not reflect directly on the position my current or past employers may have.

 




254 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #1525616 4-Apr-2016 10:40
Send private message

Ah okay, looks like I don't have a master filter installed then.  It's no biggie.  I'm not too worried.  


1 | 2 
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic




News »

Freeview On Demand app launches on Sony Android TVs
Posted 6-Aug-2020 13:35


UFB hits more than one million connections
Posted 6-Aug-2020 09:42


D-Link A/NZ extends COVR Wi-Fi EasyMesh System series with new three-pack
Posted 4-Aug-2020 15:01


New Zealand software Rfider tracks coffee from Colombia all the way to New Zealand businesses
Posted 3-Aug-2020 10:35


Logitech G launches Pro X Wireless gaming headset
Posted 3-Aug-2020 10:21


Sony Alpha 7S III provides supreme imaging performance
Posted 3-Aug-2020 10:11


Sony introduces first CFexpress Type A memory card
Posted 3-Aug-2020 10:05


Marsello acquires Goody consolidating online and in-store marketing position
Posted 30-Jul-2020 16:26


Fonterra first major customer for Microsoft's New Zealand datacentre
Posted 30-Jul-2020 08:07


Everything we learnt at the IBM Cloud Forum 2020
Posted 29-Jul-2020 14:45


Dropbox launches native HelloSign workflow and data residency in Australia
Posted 29-Jul-2020 12:48


Spark launches 5G in Palmerston North
Posted 29-Jul-2020 09:50


Lenovo brings speed and smarter features to new 5G mobile gaming phone
Posted 28-Jul-2020 22:00


Withings raises $60 million to enable bridge between patients and healthcare
Posted 28-Jul-2020 21:51


QNAP integrates Catalyst Cloud Object Storage into Hybrid Backup solution
Posted 28-Jul-2020 21:40



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.