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gumboot19

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  #1660777 30-Oct-2016 08:28
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im happy to try what i can to make it work ! keep her indoors happy :)

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  #1660781 30-Oct-2016 08:45
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im no sparkie ... i dont understand why we cant put a new ph jack in with capacitor . then plug a fouble adapter in using one side for rotary dial phone and other for filter then router ???? seems logical to me but obviously im a little uneducated

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  #1660783 30-Oct-2016 08:54
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The reason is that you need a three wire cord for the phone to use the capacitor in the jack. The plug in filters only connect 2 wires so as soon as you have one of those between phone and the jack you are stuffed. This has been explained several times.

Your phone should be similar to this http://www.thechipmunk.net/phones/746e.htm

Take your green wire off and strap the terminals in the phone as shown with 17&18 also connected. You'll have a two wire phone using its own capacitor. The ringer circuit will be lower impedance than a modern phone so there could be some effect on your broadband. Check your rates before and after.



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  #1660791 30-Oct-2016 09:47
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even if you split into 2 lines straight out of the jack ? one going each way ?
anyway thanx for all the info from all

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  #1660824 30-Oct-2016 11:30
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Sorry, not sure exactly what you're suggesting, but the options are really as above.

I had a quick look and did find a couple of splitters, but they are newer ones with only two wires connected, so won't help you unfortunately.

If you're in the Auckland region, there is a Geekzone user (coffeebaron) who does master filter installs. No doubt he could also source and install a phone jack with capacitor. Will cost in the low hundreds, but worth getting the master filter anyway, to get the best out of your ADSL connection.

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  #1660826 30-Oct-2016 11:52
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Modempak BT 2-Wire Phone Ringing Adaptor 259100030

 

Pretty sure JA Russell stock modempak so would be able to order for you. You can muck around with all sorts of old jacks to dodgy something up. This is a pulg and play solution. You would simply plug in to the 'phone' side of the DSL filter and your old phone will ring.


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  #1661095 30-Oct-2016 21:30
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will try ja russell tomoro morning . thanx



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  #1661224 31-Oct-2016 09:18
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sbiddle: A rotary dial won't work on a 2 wire circuit.

 

 

 

Yes it will.   The problem is  calling out may be a problem unless you are connected to a Spark NEAX central office. Forget any VOIP circuit  or fiber phone.  Incoming may require a   old 3 wire BT jack or an RJ45 to BT converter 





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  #1661234 31-Oct-2016 09:31
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old3eyes:

 

sbiddle: A rotary dial won't work on a 2 wire circuit.

 

 

 

Yes it will.   The problem is  calling out may be a problem unless you are connected to a Spark NEAX central office. Forget any VOIP circuit  or fiber phone.  Incoming may require a   old 3 wire BT jack or an RJ45 to BT converter 

 

 

This was my point - it won't ring on a 2 wire circuit which is exactly the problem the OP was having.

 

 


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  #1661236 31-Oct-2016 09:32
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The best solution is a master filter and then a standalone master jack for the rotary phone or a RJ45 socket with RJ45 to BT master adapter.

 

 


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  #1661237 31-Oct-2016 09:33
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sbiddle:

 

old3eyes:

 

sbiddle: A rotary dial won't work on a 2 wire circuit.

 

 

 

Yes it will.   The problem is  calling out may be a problem unless you are connected to a Spark NEAX central office. Forget any VOIP circuit  or fiber phone.  Incoming may require a   old 3 wire BT jack or an RJ45 to BT converter 

 

 

This was my point - it won't ring on a 2 wire circuit which is exactly the problem the OP was having.

 

 

 

 

True.  I can't think of any reason why the OP would ever want to use an old rotary dial phone  for incoming calls die to their low REN value and low impedance ringer.





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  #1661240 31-Oct-2016 09:41
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old3eyes:

 

sbiddle:

 

old3eyes:

 

sbiddle: A rotary dial won't work on a 2 wire circuit.

 

 

 

Yes it will.   The problem is  calling out may be a problem unless you are connected to a Spark NEAX central office. Forget any VOIP circuit  or fiber phone.  Incoming may require a   old 3 wire BT jack or an RJ45 to BT converter 

 

 

This was my point - it won't ring on a 2 wire circuit which is exactly the problem the OP was having.

 

 

 

 

True.  I can't think of any reason why the OP would ever want to use an old rotary dial phone  for incoming calls die to their low REN value and low impedance ringer.

 

 

I think solely because they're retro. I still love my Pert phone at home and use it frequently despite having 7 other VoIP phones on my desk!

 

 


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  #1661260 31-Oct-2016 10:26
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sbiddle:

 

old3eyes:

 

sbiddle:

 

old3eyes:

 

sbiddle: A rotary dial won't work on a 2 wire circuit.

 

 

 

Yes it will.   The problem is  calling out may be a problem unless you are connected to a Spark NEAX central office. Forget any VOIP circuit  or fiber phone.  Incoming may require a   old 3 wire BT jack or an RJ45 to BT converter 

 

 

This was my point - it won't ring on a 2 wire circuit which is exactly the problem the OP was having.

 

 

 

 

True.  I can't think of any reason why the OP would ever want to use an old rotary dial phone  for incoming calls die to their low REN value and low impedance ringer.

 

 

I think solely because they're retro. I still love my Pert phone at home and use it frequently despite having 7 other VoIP phones on my desk!

 

 

 

 

You're a glutton for punishment. smile Those phones  had the worst sidetone levels  of any phone I ever used..





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  #1661298 31-Oct-2016 11:09
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old3eyes:

 

You're a glutton for punishment. smile Those phones  had the worst sidetone levels  of any phone I ever used..

 

 

It was either them or one of the other 80's telecom phones that gave the other end the worst echo ever as well.

 

The only old phones I have are shaped like cars or r2d2 or alf.





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  #1661334 31-Oct-2016 12:13
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sbiddle This was my point - it won't ring on a 2 wire circuit which is exactly the problem the OP was having.


Only if the line cord is left connected as a 3 wire phone. Those phones worked on 2 wire circuits when the internal terminal straps were in the right places.

I don't recall the Pert having a side tone problem on local calls. That phone's performance (apart from shape) hit the middle of all the design specs. Because the Post Office had spent years pushing local lines out as far as possible the telephones tended to be too loud on newer equipment. Low loop current fools the phone into boosting output. High levels then produced errors in international echo cancellers if there was any clipping.

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