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  # 2027566 2-Jun-2018 18:15
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lisati:

 

BlakJak:

 

The 'Date' header is a header, meaning it is created by the MUA (software) that created the email in the first place. It can't be trusted as in any way reliable. Most common scenario is that the computer generating the spam has its local clock set wrong. Second most common would be that the emails are created by a program or script that inserts a bollocks date: header and does't create a real one at all. When receivers sort their mail by the date header, sometimes doing odd things actually helps gain viewers (and thus clicks).

 

Agreed, the Date header can be messed with, as is the case with most of the other information we can see in other headers. I've seen email with apparent time stamps that occur after the time I'm actually reading it.

 

About the only headers I can trust completely are the ones added by the software I'm using.

 

remain focused on the problem.

 

 

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  # 2027568 2-Jun-2018 18:20
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GEOMAX:

 

 remain focused on the problem.

 

 

 

Just saying, the Date header might not be the best one to examine when crafting a filter.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2027570 2-Jun-2018 18:23
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lisati:

BlakJak:

 

The 'Date' header is a header, meaning it is created by the MUA (software) that created the email in the first place. It can't be trusted as in any way reliable. Most common scenario is that the computer generating the spam has its local clock set wrong. Second most common would be that the emails are created by a program or script that inserts a bollocks date: header and does't create a real one at all. When receivers sort their mail by the date header, sometimes doing odd things actually helps gain viewers (and thus clicks).

 

Agreed, the Date header can be messed with, as is the case with most of the other information we can see in other headers. I've seen email with apparent time stamps that occur after the time I'm actually reading it.

 

About the only headers I can trust completely are the ones added by the software I'm using.

 

 

Exactly this. The first header you can trust is the Received: line added by the first mail server you administer. Assume everything else is fake or unverifiable at best. Including the From:.




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  # 2027571 2-Jun-2018 18:24
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remain focused. the date/time is unimportant.

 

 

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  # 2027572 2-Jun-2018 18:24
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GEOMAX:

critisism is easy. offering a solution is harder. bring yourself up to date and offer something useful.

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what you want from Geekzone. The service being offered by Spark is, well, as-is. You can talk to them, or you can vote with your feet.




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  # 2027620 2-Jun-2018 19:57
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GEOMAX:

 

tdgeek:

 

GEOMAX:

 

lisati:

 

I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned, but noticed a new one (for me) in the received headers, two arriving from "profitlimited[dot]me"

 

yes I also see they have moved also  to a different ip address range shown as in Romania .I have looked up the domain names used  in the NZ register example contactnz.co.nz is not valid! I thought that would not be possible.

 

 

 

Yeah, I will be contacting my local high school who sent a monthly report for our girl. I'll ask if they use any Romania services!! :-)  But the good thing is, I can now see whats filtered, as since SMX game on stream, we never saw that, so no ability to manage false positives. I still cannot locate the Not Spam button

 

if you are on webmail open an email in spam. You will see a sign like thumbs up. It says not spam and moves it to your in box.

 

 

 

Thanks but I dont get that. Opened one that was placed (not by me) into the Spam folder. No button, go to hamburger, no option. No thumbs up


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  # 2027623 2-Jun-2018 20:02
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BlakJak:
GEOMAX:

 

critisism is easy. offering a solution is harder. bring yourself up to date and offer something useful.

 

 

I'm not sure what you want from Geekzone. The service being offered by Spark is, well, as-is. You can talk to them, or you can vote with your feet.

 

I think seasoned geekzoners would know about historical date/time problems and would run a querry on their spam folder and look at the .co.nz domains  which I posted earlier today and look at the domain name registration site and be amazed . Did you? I dont see xtra as a so so service as you suggest but a world class product with problems to sort out. I see users like Oblivion helping with filters leading the charge. Dont say talk to help desk or vote with my feet as I consider this in poor taste and not helpful.

 

 

 
 
 
 


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  # 2027626 2-Jun-2018 20:08
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GEOMAX:

 

BlakJak:
GEOMAX:

 

critisism is easy. offering a solution is harder. bring yourself up to date and offer something useful.

 

 

I'm not sure what you want from Geekzone. The service being offered by Spark is, well, as-is. You can talk to them, or you can vote with your feet.

 

I think seasoned geekzoners would know about historical date/time problems and would run a querry on their spam folder and look at the .co.nz domains  which I posted earlier today and look at the domain name registration site and be amazed . Did you? I dont see xtra as a so so service as you suggest but a world class product with problems to sort out. I see users like Oblivion helping with filters leading the charge. Dont say talk to help desk or vote with my feet as I consider this in poor taste and not helpful.

 

 

 

Yeah, My Honda car brakes had a problem, I hate Honda.... You are right, people here help, its almost like a forum.... :-)  /lookingatyouBlakjak 


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  # 2027628 2-Jun-2018 20:11
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GEOMAX:

 

BlakJak:
GEOMAX:

 

critisism is easy. offering a solution is harder. bring yourself up to date and offer something useful.

 

 

I'm not sure what you want from Geekzone. The service being offered by Spark is, well, as-is. You can talk to them, or you can vote with your feet.

 

I think seasoned geekzoners would know about historical date/time problems and would run a querry on their spam folder and look at the .co.nz domains  which I posted earlier today and look at the domain name registration site and be amazed . Did you? I dont see xtra as a so so service as you suggest but a world class product with problems to sort out. I see users like Oblivion helping with filters leading the charge. Dont say talk to help desk or vote with my feet as I consider this in poor taste and not helpful.

 

 

click on the item in the spam folder. In the middle by the row starting compose hover over items. Next to delete is not spam.

 

 

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  # 2027634 2-Jun-2018 20:33
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GEOMAX:

 

GEOMAX:

 

BlakJak:
GEOMAX:

 

critisism is easy. offering a solution is harder. bring yourself up to date and offer something useful.

 

 

I'm not sure what you want from Geekzone. The service being offered by Spark is, well, as-is. You can talk to them, or you can vote with your feet.

 

I think seasoned geekzoners would know about historical date/time problems and would run a querry on their spam folder and look at the .co.nz domains  which I posted earlier today and look at the domain name registration site and be amazed . Did you? I dont see xtra as a so so service as you suggest but a world class product with problems to sort out. I see users like Oblivion helping with filters leading the charge. Dont say talk to help desk or vote with my feet as I consider this in poor taste and not helpful.

 

 

click on the item in the spam folder. In the middle by the row starting compose hover over items. Next to delete is not spam.

 

 

 

Thanks for that, I have sorted it out, keen to hear your view.

 

Your instruction didnt work :-)  I have a Spam folder, left pane, bottom pane. I also have a Bulk Mail folder. The Bulk Mail folder was used in the Yahoo to SMX migration. I had two spams in Yahoo Spam folder, they went to Bulk Mail as expected on migration.  This Bulk Mail folder has never had any emails sent to it, by me or SMX. So, after exhausting your instruction, I moved an email to Bulk Mail as a test. and yes, there is a thumbs up.

 

So, I can move false positives there and mark as not spam. Slight pain, as I have many false positives, but better that than the recent past when I never saw spam at all, and had no control or visibility over false positives. 

 

Thanks again


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  # 2027641 2-Jun-2018 20:52
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I origonally reached my webmail through my telecom and saved to bookmarks. There may be some differences depending how you set your access up.

 

 

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  # 2027642 2-Jun-2018 20:54
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GEOMAX:

BlakJak:
GEOMAX:


critisism is easy. offering a solution is harder. bring yourself up to date and offer something useful.


 

I'm not sure what you want from Geekzone. The service being offered by Spark is, well, as-is. You can talk to them, or you can vote with your feet.


I think seasoned geekzoners would know about historical date/time problems and would run a querry on their spam folder and look at the .co.nz domains  which I posted earlier today and look at the domain name registration site and be amazed . Did you? I dont see xtra as a so so service as you suggest but a world class product with problems to sort out. I see users like Oblivion helping with filters leading the charge. Dont say talk to help desk or vote with my feet as I consider this in poor taste and not helpful.


 


I'm pleased people here are helpful.
I too am trying to contribute useful things leveraging my experience which is quite relevant.
However much of the tone in this thread is 'its not good enough' and I merely seek to point out that spam is what it is. Problems with the service experience need to be communicated with the vendor so they have an official shot at addressing it (what you will get from here are often workarounds)... Bitchinf about things working as intended is not helpful if you aren't also communicating this via official channels.

I'm not slagging off the service offered by Spark, I like the SMX stack and it was a great choice to solve their Yahoo problems. But at some point you have to accept the service for what it is and worth within it's limitations... What I read suggested you weren't going to do this, and my advice is still essentially the same... Communicate your issues to Spark themselves.

 

 

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  # 2027774 3-Jun-2018 11:52
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if you read all the post you will see posted replies received from spark users who have been through the help system.(including me) In summary they   have a problem, their engineers are working on it, it may take some weeks.

 

From this forum I learnt about filters.

 

your advice that spam is here so accept as is or vote with your feet is not what advice I will follow.

 

 

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  # 2027780 3-Jun-2018 12:15
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Agree, its a problem, its being worked on. When they went to Yahoo there were spam issues I recall, I mark as spam, marked as not spam, and over time it became a non issue, same will happen here


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  # 2028026 3-Jun-2018 22:17
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Re being super cautious not to make false positives by total IP/Domain blanket slapping

 

You would have thought the hundreds and I would hope thousands of marked as spams from early on, all generated from a VPS IP range should be pretty safe to block (or not block. But at the very least lower the integrity rating and auto-mark as potential spam and not put in the inbox..) would be a whole less likely to have any false positives from it given the numbers being dropped at any one time.

 

Or at the very least pestered the hell of the host to do something about investigating if the mail is infact from there how soon people are spinning up mail servers after free signup and sending traffic 10000%

 

Even the last 15 or so I just marked, with different FQDNs being presented are from the same range.

 

http://geoiplookup.net/ip/185.116.237.167 


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