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  Reply # 2096360 25-Sep-2018 18:38
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It's to be expected. Chorus invested in the fibre and want people off copper.

 

For ages everyone moaned and pointed to the likes of Korea with their fast broadband and now we have it (mostly) they whine and want to keep copper?

 

I get some are stuck, well go wireless.

 

If you can't go wireless, go satellite.

 


Yes it sucks compared with fibre and is expensive but then stuck on copper out in the sticks sucks too. I know, I have lived in one of those places.

 

 




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  Reply # 2096365 25-Sep-2018 18:52
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pctek:

 

It's to be expected. Chorus invested in the fibre and want people off copper.

 

For ages everyone moaned and pointed to the likes of Korea with their fast broadband and now we have it (mostly) they whine and want to keep copper?

 

I get some are stuck, well go wireless.

 

If you can't go wireless, go satellite.

 


Yes it sucks compared with fibre and is expensive but then stuck on copper out in the sticks sucks too. I know, I have lived in one of those places.

 

 

 

 

Is Chorus increasing its [regulated] copper prices?  Is the differential between Chorus' copper and fibre prices changing?  Spark wants people off copper.  Its more profitable for Spark.  Hence the price increase.


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  Reply # 2096374 25-Sep-2018 19:08
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Their costs are more than the chorus cost, and IMO at the same price the copper should cost more because there is greater diagnosis that the service provider has to do of the connection, greater chance of a fault because of the age of the network and a higher chance of complaints about slow or no performance on it.

 

I wonder how long until providers can pre-assess the likleyhood of copper problems in fiber areas and just refuse the ones that have had a fault history in that area?





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  Reply # 2096392 25-Sep-2018 20:03
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richms:

 

Their costs are more than the chorus cost, and IMO at the same price the copper should cost more because there is greater diagnosis that the service provider has to do of the connection, greater chance of a fault because of the age of the network and a higher chance of complaints about slow or no performance on it.

 

I wonder how long until providers can pre-assess the likleyhood of copper problems in fiber areas and just refuse the ones that have had a fault history in that area?

 

 

Some providers already do push fibre as the only option where it's available.

 

 

 

the real problem with copper is yes, it fails far more often.. but also the toolsets to resolve the issues simply are way too limited.

 

Realistically the best resolution to a fault (apart from no dsl due to say a failed joint) involves extended line tests. Folk certainly aren't too impressed to hear, ok. lets look at it in 24 hours (regardless of provider, it will always be asked... Will they actually call back?)

 

 

 

There are some smart things that can be done to ease the pain, I've born quite a few of these. but that's just assistance, till chorus expose more of their tool-set (we still have the same tools as was available 10? years ago... Dispite Vectoring, G.INP, dd-DLM all coming into play)

 

The biggest risk i've seen with copper is, where ddDLM is doing it's thing, so it pulls back the line snr between the time of customer complaining and field techs getting out and thus NFF.

 

 

 

The other issue is all the hidden costs with copper, Customer doesn't have wire maintenance and a splitter goes faulty... oh there is another issue to explain.

 

Chorus have publicly stated they are replacing their API and portals, my hope is, we will also see improvements in the toolsets available for copper.

 

 

 

 

 

All in all, Copper is very expensive to offer in reality, repeats, inaccuracy of faults, legacy systems, lack of faith in tools all add up to quite a hashmash.

 

Compare that to copper, where you can test all the way to the ONT, see it's history, have visibility over likely causes of faults (eg customer knocked power out of ont - it's actually a common fault!)

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, my heart is very much with copper technology, i love vdsl. i can't say I'm a fan of myself also paying more. But being i do have an extensive end to end understanding of copper maintenance... i get the reasoning. (not to say i wouldn't drop on fibre in a second if i could...)





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