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  Reply # 2105807 10-Oct-2018 17:40
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hashbrown: Not sure of it's related, but Cloudflare status page is currently showing AKL as "re-routed".

 

I think that only affects those that peer locally, on 2degs usually GZ is served from the AKL pop but its being served out of Sydney currently


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  Reply # 2105811 10-Oct-2018 18:01
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dfnt:

 

I think this is what I read https://blog.cloudflare.com/bandwidth-costs-around-the-world/

 

 

Worth remembering that article is a full 2 years old so numbers may nolonger be valid.





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  Reply # 2105813 10-Oct-2018 18:06
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Yes, there didn't seem to be a newer post on the matter




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  Reply # 2105839 10-Oct-2018 19:15
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dfnt:

 

Basically because peering is expensive in Australia with Telstra and Optus, Cloudflare serves free customers out of cheaper locations. Not sure if GZ is a free or paid customer of Cloudflare but might explain why it's being served out of Tokyo.

 

 

We are a paid customer.





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  Reply # 2105843 10-Oct-2018 19:18
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freitasm:

 

dfnt:

 

Basically because peering is expensive in Australia with Telstra and Optus, Cloudflare serves free customers out of cheaper locations. Not sure if GZ is a free or paid customer of Cloudflare but might explain why it's being served out of Tokyo.

 

 

We are a paid customer.

 

 

Doesn't apply then.

 

Wonder why it isn't being served out of Australia.




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  Reply # 2105877 10-Oct-2018 20:28
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freitasm:

 

I use Claire and I am on 2degrees. I am being served out of SYD.

 

 

Yeah, the AKL pop is currently being redirected so being served out of SYD




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  Reply # 2105889 10-Oct-2018 20:38
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dfnt:

 

freitasm:

 

I use Claire and I am on 2degrees. I am being served out of SYD.

 

 

Yeah, the AKL pop is currently being redirected so being served out of SYD

 

 

Exactly my point, meanwhile the Spark route is to Narita...





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  Reply # 2105921 10-Oct-2018 21:11
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freitasm:

 

dfnt:

 

freitasm:

 

I use Claire and I am on 2degrees. I am being served out of SYD.

 

 

Yeah, the AKL pop is currently being redirected so being served out of SYD

 

 

Exactly my point, meanwhile the Spark route is to Narita...

 

 

Ah right, sorry misunderstood

 

 


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Spark is actually forgetting that its clients pays them to access services provided through the likes of Cloudflare. It tries to screw the people who provide the content (which is the very reason its customers buy Spark services) - basically trying to double dip on both ends from the consumer and content provider.

 

Good on Cloudflare for serving such an arrogant attitude (of Spark) out of somewhere that it will cost Spark more to consume and provides an inferior service for Spark's customers.

 

I wonder what would happen if major streaming providers suddenly mandated that they wouldn't do bilateral peerings but just peer at peering exchanges. Spark's international bandwidth would be overloaded in 2 seconds.






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  Reply # 2106050 11-Oct-2018 09:14
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What's the actual problem with it being served from Japan?




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  Reply # 2106054 11-Oct-2018 09:18
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muppet:

 

What's the actual problem with it being served from Japan?

 

 

Time to access/download resources - there's a bit of difference between AKL and Narita in terms of the distance bits have to travel...





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  Reply # 2106078 11-Oct-2018 09:49
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freitasm:

 

Time to access/download resources - there's a bit of difference between AKL and Narita in terms of the distance bits have to travel...

 

 

Right, but it doesn't present an actual problem, aside from longer RTT's and slightly longer page load time.  Which for a HTTP2 page is unlikely to be noticed by most users, it's not exactly taking seconds to load (is it?)

 

Don't get me wrong, I agree the lack of local in-country traffic routing seems silly.  Back when I worked at one of the large telco's (not Spark) and we (network engineering) were told this de-peering had to take place and that we had to turn off the APE peers, we argued vehemently against it.  The senior people asked us "But what will actually break?" and we had to, begrudgingly, admit that nothing would break, some traffic might route a slightly longer way etc.  (We were also told if we didn't do it and kept moaning about, we'd be shown the door, so we turned it down as instructed)

 

Anyway, I don't think it's a problem.  Slightly slower RTT, sure.

 

Finally, there's always two sides to the peering story.  I'm not saying Spark aren't the "bad guys" here, but you also don't know for sure that Spark are holding out signing some contract because it exposes them in some way that the other ISPs have just rolled over and signed.  [That is meant only as an example, not based in any factual information at all!!]


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  Reply # 2107015 12-Oct-2018 21:18
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I am pretty sure that you can buy spark peering in different cities, and buy a backhaul product to those cities.
Spark basically know they have a high number of customers and if you want your mutual customers to have a better experience with your online service, you need to pay spark to deliver the traffic from a closer source.

Spark don't understand who their customer is.
However rugby world cup may change the dynamics of how spark peers... I still have hope.

Jessie from @fullflavor has some experience with getting to spark customers via Australia




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  Reply # 2107060 13-Oct-2018 01:10
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Spark actually stopped selling the local peering product a few years back. So if you want to push data into the Spark network from somewhere in NZ, it has to be done via paid peering.

We hosted some live sport streams a few years back, Spark openly peer with folk in Sydney so it was cheaper to push a few Gbps into their network there than via paid local peering with them.

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