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tripper1000
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  #2186954 25-Feb-2019 15:24
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Batman:

 

elpenguino:

 

Not being very suspicious of Huawei motives is to be very naive.

 

 

I'm very suspicious of Turkey and USA. When a guy called Jamal disappeared, they both knew exactly what happened behind closed doors ... 

 

 

There are several reasons why technology is more trustworthy from/with the USA than China.

 

The difference is that we have a deal (5eyes) with the USA where we have access to their intelligence, so there is a high degree of transparency in their risk to us and the risk is further offset by the benefit of their intelligence to us. We have no such agreement with China, so we have risk with zero benefit and zero transparency.

 

At a secondary level, we also have defence agreements with many 5eyes countries, so their security interests are tied to ours, where as we have no such agreement/reassurance with China. If China had an alliance with NZ, we would have no reason to suspect harm from them.

 

In the Jamal case, it is reassuring to see our 5eyes partners using intelligence and spying ethically to protect other (Saudi) journalists, as journalists are important to democracy.

 

Backdoors are frequently discovered only after they have been utilised (think about all the trigger for many Windows security patches).




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  #2186970 25-Feb-2019 15:50
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You're making me quite worried about all the non 5 eyes produced transmitting devices around the place that are constantly beaming all sorts of data visual and audio information to the chinese, koreans, and russians ! 

 

Or should I be unworried about transmitting devices as much as transmission infrastructure?


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BarTender: Surprised this wasn't posted yet. The plot thickens.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/110688957/ardern-no-final-huawei-5g-decision

 

Keep in mind: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/18/tech/huawei-uk-5g-cybersecurity/index.html

 

If the NZ government think that sucking up to Trump in their war with China by giving Huawei a black eye in a hope of getting a good trade deal then they better think twice given the United States propensity of not giving a toss about their 'allies of convenience' once a given country has served their purpose (such an attitude pre-dates Trump so it isn't as though it is new to Trump).





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  #2187012 25-Feb-2019 17:23
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To me one of the nonsensical point of this whole argument is that everyone is acting like there isn't the possibility to encrypt end to end transport with assurances.

 

More and more traffic has been moving to TLS with PFS and ECC ciphers.

 

Sure gathering metadata can be useful and we know the NSA have been doing that for years. But you can encrypt a transport using your own keys that couldn't be MITMed (as the keys would have been shared out-of-band) as each end only trusts the other.

 

Then the GCSB/GCHQ think that Huawei embed either enough local storage to capture everything or have the processing power to deencapsulate the layers of network above and below it to be able to exfiltrate the data from the core network without being noticed.


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  #2187202 26-Feb-2019 08:59
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See my earlier post, traffic doesn't need to be intercepted at the backhaul it can be done at the cellsite.





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  #2188325 27-Feb-2019 17:39
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Leave it to Trump to tell the real reasons...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/26/trump_huawei_ban_china




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  #2188406 27-Feb-2019 19:19
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freitasm: Leave it to Trump to tell the real reasons...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/26/trump_huawei_ban_china

 

If I was planning to do a degree in Internet Security, I'd probably opt for a degree in Trade Agreements and get a free cross credit.


 
 
 

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  #2188786 28-Feb-2019 13:17
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I dont get it, what am I missing

 

many devices using 4G , 5G wouldnt be 100% secure regardless .
Just add the wrong app to android & thats your 'security' & privacy gone regardless.
Why presume any type of wireless network is secure ? Couldnt teleco signals simply be intercepted at any point (for those with the resources to do so)

 

What about every other mobile device manufactured in Ch , look the other way ?
to simplistic a view ?


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  #2188956 28-Feb-2019 16:27
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as someone already said above, NZ can only decide which ass to kiss

 


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  #2189394 1-Mar-2019 13:29
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elpenguino:

 

See my earlier post, traffic doesn't need to be intercepted at the backhaul it can be done at the cellsite.

 

 

What you are implying that all eNodeBs that are manufactured by Huawei would have sufficient CPU power to de-encapsulate the signaling traffic to capture traffic at the IMSI/IMEI layer and then capture it all to local storage to be picked up by your friendly Chinese agent at some point in the future.

 

As that would require SSD Storage in the hundreds of GB (or TB) for local storage.

 

Plus a CPU fast enough to de-encapsulate the traffic and dump it to disk.

 

....

 

Without being noticed by the Telco, or if the local spy agency decides to take a closer look and they never open the eNodeB's themselves and have a poke around inside???

 

 

 

Where is my tinfoil?


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  #2189427 1-Mar-2019 14:38
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Sounds like you didn't read the link I posted.

 

I will summarise: In the past interception has been performed by capturing the communications between the handset and cellsite and decoding this off-site.





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  #2189512 1-Mar-2019 16:18
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elpenguino:

 

Sounds like you didn't read the link I posted.

 

I will summarise: In the past interception has been performed by capturing the communications between the handset and cellsite and decoding this off-site.

 

 

The plot thickens.

 

 


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  #2189513 1-Mar-2019 16:26
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elpenguino:

 

Sounds like you didn't read the link I posted.

 

I will summarise: In the past interception has been performed by capturing the communications between the handset and cellsite and decoding this off-site.

 



 

Are you referring to the infamous Stingray phone tracker?

 

 


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  #2189516 1-Mar-2019 16:30
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ResponseMediaNZ:

 

elpenguino:

 

Sounds like you didn't read the link I posted.

 

I will summarise: In the past interception has been performed by capturing the communications between the handset and cellsite and decoding this off-site.

 

 


Are you referring to the infamous Stingray phone tracker?

 

 

No, this: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cover-story-how-nsa-spied-on-merkel-cell-phone-from-berlin-embassy-a-930205.html

 

 





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  #2189519 1-Mar-2019 16:53
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elpenguino:

 

ResponseMediaNZ:

 

elpenguino:

 

Sounds like you didn't read the link I posted.

 

I will summarise: In the past interception has been performed by capturing the communications between the handset and cellsite and decoding this off-site.

 

 


Are you referring to the infamous Stingray phone tracker?

 

 

No, this: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/cover-story-how-nsa-spied-on-merkel-cell-phone-from-berlin-embassy-a-930205.html

 


So you are talking about a news article from 2013.. I would put money on the fact that they were using the technology I mentioned. 

Also would be vendor agnostic - because as you say it's being intercepted between the handset and cell site

Unsure what your point is about this being related to Huawei 5G equipment


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