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  Reply # 168748 3-Oct-2008 08:36
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bbman: i would agree but the only thing that makes no sense is the GSM network is being rolled out and more and more sites are being turned on.

I guess they probably reached the point of no return; already spent the money on 2G, so they may as well complete it and get some return on it. If they were more future thinking when they first started building, then they would have just gone full 3G then. Their nationwide 3G 2100/850 would then have been ready the same time as Vodafone's 900 3G or maybe earlier. Would have been a real scoop for the 3G iPhone too.




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  Reply # 168753 3-Oct-2008 09:14
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coffeebaron:
bbman: i would agree but the only thing that makes no sense is the GSM network is being rolled out and more and more sites are being turned on.

I guess they probably reached the point of no return; already spent the money on 2G, so they may as well complete it and get some return on it. If they were more future thinking when they first started building, then they would have just gone full 3G then. Their nationwide 3G 2100/850 would then have been ready the same time as Vodafone's 900 3G or maybe earlier. Would have been a real scoop for the 3G iPhone too.


You're forgetting however that this network is already ~2 years late. When Telecom first talked about moving to GSM the 850 WCDMA spec was still on the drawing board and not a ratified 3GPP standard. Telecom deploying GSM 850 and WCDMA 2100 made a lot of sence when the you looked into the future 3 years ago and saw LTE on the horizon. The CDMA vs GSM battle shows that the technology doesn't necessarily affect the market share and that a lot of people are simply happy having a handset that works. Would spending additional money guarantee a greater market share or bigger profits? No.

Since then however the business case has fundamentally changed. Vodafone's 900 3G is a testbed for both Nokia and Group and technology has changed a lot in the past 2 years. LTE is now on the horizon and some of Ericsson's work with Next G and their 42Mbps HSPA has obviously swayed Telecom into deploying a superior technology.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 168761 3-Oct-2008 10:02
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What ever they decide to do at 850MHz they can't do both, its either CDMA/GSM or CDMA/WCDMA or GSM/WCDMA. There just isn't enough spectrum in the 850MHz band to accommodate all 3 technologies.

Clearly they aren't going to get rid of the CDMA network just yet. 

Every day Telecom holds off the decision is another day that even more GSM sites get built, until Telecom's contractors get told officially to stop building they are just pouring money down the drain.  But I don't suppose that really matters in the grand scheme of things, what’s a couple of $million dollars wasted while the bean counters and suits decide the future of Telecom's most important decision in the mobile side of the business?

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  Reply # 168813 3-Oct-2008 13:39
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langi27:Every day Telecom holds off the decision is another day that even more GSM sites get built, until Telecom's contractors get told officially to stop building they are just pouring money down the drain.  


I'm sure it's not hard to find somebody who wants to buy a half nearly complete GSM network! :-)

Telecom's former 800Mhz spectrum that they had to give up currently sits unused.

Wellington rollout seems to have started again, Silverstream and Manor Park have been done and Hutt Rd Petone site had a crane there yesterday installing the mounts for the new SW sector panels.


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  Reply # 168821 3-Oct-2008 13:59
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sbiddle: You're forgetting however that this network is already ~2 years late. When Telecom first talked about moving to GSM the 850 WCDMA spec was still on the drawing board and not a ratified 3GPP standard. Telecom deploying GSM 850 and WCDMA 2100 made a lot of sence when the you looked into the future 3 years ago and saw LTE on the horizon.

Yea, agree at the time it was the right choice, but even a year ago they could have decided to pull the plug. Telstra's 850 3G was very much near completion at that stage. And of course, Vodafone were well under way deploying their 900 network.

Hey, maybe they can flick off their 850** GSM to NZComms - sadly the ones that may well be left behind in this race.

** but lets not go off topic here - I know NZComms is using 900GSM




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  Reply # 168826 3-Oct-2008 14:35
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coffeebaron:

** but lets not go off topic here - I know NZComms is using 900GSM


NZ Comms have management rights for both 800 and 900 spectrum. They got chunks that both VF and Telecom gave up voluntarily. Had Telecom not done this and still had rihts to both AMPS bands they would have had sufficient spectrum to deploy GSM, CDMA and UMTS. Without that spectrum however running the whole 3 technologies together with sufficent capacity would be a nightmare.

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Lots of questions re the antennas and panels being installed..

There are so many sizes but on most of the updated sites they seem to have new panels and the existing old CDMA panels.

Many of the 3 sector sites have 3 new panels either in the center off the pole or extended right out. On many CHCH sites the sites at the edge of the city are not live for 2100 or 850gsm yet many others are inside the city or on the main highway such as Burnham, Leeston, Dromore.

I note in CHCH sites like Belfast, Rolleston and Templeton have the 3 sector arm sites with the new panels off the pole, these sites are not going yet, I guess these are either set for 850mhz UMTS or GSM or maybe 2100mhz...
I gather the thiner panels are the 2100 mhz panels and the thinker or wider panels are 850mhz?

There there are the new cluster sites with 1 layer with 6 - 8 panels, several thinner 2100 style but the majority wider @ 850mhz

I wanted pics but i struggled with the that concept.

Obviously 850GSM can operate on CDMA panels no problem, would that be the same for 850UMTS?

Gee wiz, who is an antenna expert, some one had a blog at some stage it was handy, i was going to upload some pics but as i said above i sruggled with that concept! 







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  Reply # 168896 3-Oct-2008 20:15
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The CEO of BiddleCorp posted some here

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  Reply # 168948 4-Oct-2008 08:43
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scottjpalmer: The CEO of BiddleCorp posted some here

Thanx.  I see the usual comments from the anti cell fone brigade.

"From the Hutt News 2/9/08  
Some residents in the Knights Road area are concerned that they haven't been consulted over a proposal to erect a telecommunications microwave tower and related equipment on top of the Waterloo Interchange building.

One resident believes the Hutt City Council has only sent information to a select few properties right opposite, including Omega Wigs at 214 Knights Road, Take Five and the dairy adjacent.

"This seems totally wrong and several homeowners/residents in the area who have learned of the application are concerned at the implications for them, their families and their property values if that application is approved and the towers and other equipment pods proceed."

Another concern is for the many pregnant women and children who regularly use the railway/bus station. They want to be assured this equipment is safe."





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  Reply # 168955 4-Oct-2008 09:09
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It's very much like the campaign against the new Telecom site(s) in Titahi Bay. People seemed to have an issue with a cellsite being built in the area with one woman in particular saying she moved to Titahi Bay to escape overhead powerlines but she obviously missed spotting the 212m high masts that dominates the skyline and pumps out 5 AM stations at something like 100kw of total TX power. I'd hardly be worried about a small cellsite pumping out 50w max!

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Totally agree.

I have heard, that locals in Parklands (CHCH) have been complaining already about a new site North Burwood that is currently being finished, pole is up and fibre and cabling have been done and cabinet goes in soon.

It is out side the community centre on the road side.

This site is so overdue as coverage is very poor and Vodafone put a site on the edge of the forest about a KM away.

All going to plan it will be live when i move to a new house near there in a week or so.

The anti cell site lot have no scientific backing from my point. Especially when a site is being put in to provide coverage to an area of high usage with out adequate coverage.

I know at my church and homes around there that our phones are operating between -95db and -108 or nothing inside. Now how much more risk have users been under due to handsets operating at full out put near their bodies versus the power of a cell site in one location... crazy..

There are no houses with in 150 - 200m of the site and the community center, shops and a park surround it.

Seriously i think these idiots just dont like towers and are paranoid at the threat of radiation poisoning or something. I say what about the 1000's of users who have to use their phones at full power due to the lack of a cell site!! who is at more risk!





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sbiddle: It's very much like the campaign against the new Telecom site(s) in Titahi Bay. People seemed to have an issue with a cellsite being built in the area with one woman in particular saying she moved to Titahi Bay to escape overhead powerlines but she obviously missed spotting the 212m high masts that dominates the skyline and pumps out 5 AM stations at something like 100kw of total TX power. I'd hardly be worried about a small cellsite pumping out 50w max!


Its simple called misinformation, it is amazing what people do and dont accept!





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  Reply # 168965 4-Oct-2008 10:00
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I remember years ago the big Green Bay anti-cell tower protest. About half the protesters had cell phones strapped to their wastes - duh!




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  Reply # 168968 4-Oct-2008 10:22
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coffeebaron: I remember years ago the big Green Bay anti-cell tower protest. About half the protesters had cell phones strapped to their wastes - duh!


NIMBY people!

Yeah will be te first to complain that their phone wont work but try and put a cell site in to rectify that and NIMBY!





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  Reply # 169967 8-Oct-2008 20:11
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So.. in a nutshell...

November 2008 is no longer go for the new telecom network? We looking at march or april 2009 before its all go?




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