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  Reply # 169971 8-Oct-2008 20:20
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Well that would be the plan but Telecom are stuffing around on making an announcement here.

it is annoying but it is happening.






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  Reply # 169988 8-Oct-2008 21:04
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Damager: So.. in a nutshell...

November 2008 is no longer go for the new telecom network? We looking at march or april 2009 before its all go?


It hasn't been November for many months now.

The network is live and does have traffic on it. As for a launch date Telecom have pretty much confirmed a launch date in the 2nd Quarter 2009. I've heard June but that's certainly not from any official sources.



 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 169992 8-Oct-2008 21:21
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Damager: So.. in a nutshell...

November 2008 is no longer go for the new telecom network? We looking at march or april 2009 before its all go?


It hasn't been November for many months now.

The network is live and does have traffic on it. As for a launch date Telecom have pretty much confirmed a launch date in the 2nd Quarter 2009. I've heard June but that's certainly not from any official sources.




Yeah i think that will be about right, maybe earlier but june at the latest. The problem is with a lack of a clear timeframe alot of dealers and customers are getting nervous and slightly pissed off.

Would be good to have a date to work towards.





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  Reply # 169994 8-Oct-2008 21:27
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Yeah i think that will be about right, maybe earlier but june at the latest. The problem is with a lack of a clear timeframe alot of dealers and customers are getting nervous and slightly pissed off.

Would be good to have a date to work towards.


I guess nailing down a date is hard when you have so many factors.. a change of technology, an entirely new business model for the network that has to be approved, RMA issues affecting the site rollout and delays that have already occured.

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  Reply # 170000 8-Oct-2008 21:42
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sbiddle:
bbman:
Yeah i think that will be about right, maybe earlier but june at the latest. The problem is with a lack of a clear timeframe alot of dealers and customers are getting nervous and slightly pissed off.

Would be good to have a date to work towards.


I guess nailing down a date is hard when you have so many factors.. a change of technology, an entirely new business model for the network that has to be approved, RMA issues affecting the site rollout and delays that have already occured.


actually just confirming they are going 850/2100mhz 3g nationwide would quiet down some people. Actually that in itself would do it for now!





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  Reply # 170004 8-Oct-2008 22:04
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I'm holding off getting a dual sim chi-phone because of the possibility of no GSM, if they would announce either way then I could proceed with handset upgrades to either a dual sim gsm, or get me a new 850 capable 3g hanset to replace a broken down one I am using at the moment.

How many 2100/850 ones are available on the market here (parallel imported) or via ebay?




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Reply # 171222 15-Oct-2008 09:16
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It looks like this has been confirmed now.

Telecom will run a conference call today at 10:45am to make this official. A press release is coming out soon.








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Reply # 171223 15-Oct-2008 09:17
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Here is the press release:


Telecom today announced it will transform New Zealand’s mobile landscape by June 2009, providing customers with access to the most advanced, nationwide, 3G mobile services available and further underlining the company’s commitment to investing in New Zealand.


“It’s simple – today we’re announcing New Zealand’s best mobile network,” said Telecom CEO Paul Reynolds.

“New Zealanders are demanding fast, ubiquitous and future-ready mobile technology at their fingertips – and with this advancement they will get it.


“Telecom’s new mobile network will be superior on every level: the best nationwide coverage, the fastest internet on your mobile, a wide range of world-leading handsets, as well as better content, music and business applications.”


The technology choices revealed today will extend 3G service and fast mobile broadband to 97% of New Zealanders, approximately a year in advance of Telecom’s main competitor’s plans.


“The possibilities are endless: bidding on an online auction from your bach at Raglan; downloading music on a chairlift at Mt Ruapehu; video calling from Hokitika to a mate in Christchurch; or instant email on your mobile while on the move in a small town or big city, anywhere in New Zealand,” said Dr Reynolds.


The investment announced today amounts to more than half a billion dollars and involves the nationwide rollout of WCDMA (Wideband Code Division Multiple Access) technology, using a frequency of 850MHz (Mega Hertz).


“The W850 technology is the smartest choice for New Zealand’s unique geography and conditions,” said Dr Reynolds.

In addition, Telecom has committed to deploying HSPA+ (Evolved High Speed Packet Access), a leading-edge technology offering even higher broadband speeds, helping to ‘future-proof’ services for Telecom mobile customers.


“We are in world-class company with our technology choice. Over the past year a growing number of leading mobile providers internationally have launched WCDMA mobile networks at 850MHz, including AT&T in the United States and Telstra in Australia.

“With this technology Telecom will provide customers with global roaming superior to that of our competitors: our handsets will work on more than 430 networks in over 170 destinations worldwide for voice and texting, and over 110 destinations for internet data.


“Telecom customers visiting Australia will get service and coverage second-to-none, unmatched by any other New Zealand provider. This is the destination most visited by New Zealanders on business and on holiday, and Telecom mobile customers will have a service which will operate uniquely well on the most widely available Australian network,” said Dr Reynolds.


Telecom is investing $574 million in its new W850 network over the next two years. The benefits include competitive advantage, operational efficiencies and reduced long-run capital spending which the enhanced network proposition will deliver.

Overall, Telecom now anticipates spending $2.4 billion on capital expenditure over the next two financial years. This includes the investment already being made in world-class fixed line broadband services and a next generation network.


“These are huge, ongoing investments in New Zealand’s communications infrastructure, and underscore our commitment as a New Zealand company to bring the best quality services in the world to Kiwi homes and businesses,” said Dr Reynolds.


Telecom’s W850 network will have a phased launch from November with the start of inbound roaming services, as well as a pilot programme focused on ensuring a best-in-class customer experience. There will be a full launch of services by June 2009.


Telecom will ensure that existing and new customers who re-sign or join Telecom in the coming months will be some of the first to enjoy our new mobile services. We have offers in place to make it easy, and attractive, for these customers. Gen-i clients will be contacted by their client manager to discuss their migration options to the new mobile network.


Dr Reynolds said that Telecom was also working on an offer aimed at the company’s retail shareholders.





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  Reply # 171224 15-Oct-2008 09:30
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WOOHOOO

Bout time but better late than never. So the network launches in full by June 09 and is pilot test mode from November. Very exciting!






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  Reply # 171225 15-Oct-2008 09:38
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Ummm, is my next phone a Vodafone, or will it be a Telecom?? Ummm, or maybe both.




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I'm a Telecom marketing manager and you can talk to me. I'm responsible for tactical mobile competition in our business customer segment.

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  Reply # 171229 15-Oct-2008 10:06
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There was no mention of the existing 850 GSM network that has already been deployed. I'm assuming (that has been rumoured) that all existing 850 GSM infrastructure will be replaced by 850 WCDMA equipment over the coming months?

It does also surprise me that Telecom have made such a big deal of 850 this morning when it reality their 2100MHz UMTS network that has already been deployed is also a key part of their new network. To deliver capacity particularly in CBD areas this is essential.

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  Reply # 171231 15-Oct-2008 10:07
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA

Evolved HSPA provides HSPA data rates up to 42 Mbit/s on the downlink and 22 Mbit/s on the uplink with MIMO technologies and higher order modulation.

Sweet!


Given that I'm not due to be cabinetised until 2012 and I currently get about 2Mb/s download now on my ADSL, I might ditch the fixed line and go for mobile BB once it launches.

any idea if HSPA+ is launching at the same time?

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With respect NonPrayingMantis, worrying about speeds "up to" is misleading from my perspective - it's like quoting 802.11 theoretical over the air speeds without commenting on the backhaul link.

Other things equal, cellsite performance with fibre backhaul is different to a cellsite provisioned with digital microwave backhaul, say. I see telecom's /newnetwork page quotes average speeds of 3Mbs down, 1Mbs up (they quote 5-800kbps for current EVDO I beleive), not silly maximum speeds that are only ever observed in the lab.

It's likely that 3G MBB will perform about the same as your adsl and be more expensive. Also I think the telecom 3G build is HSPA+ although I could be wrong on this ;-)

The commerce commission has issued ISP advertising guidelines to avoid prosecution under the fair trading act to the effect that where speeds are quoted for wired broadband they must be those reasonably expected to be experienced by the majority of customers.

If cellular carriers continue to quote theoretical in-the-lab maximums (7.2 this, 14.4 that) which are quite unlikely to be experienced by customers in the field I expect the guidelines will be explicitly extended to mobile broadband.

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  Reply # 171239 15-Oct-2008 10:58
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on2it: With respect NonPrayingMantis, worrying about speeds "up to" is misleading from my perspective - it's like quoting 802.11 theoretical over the air speeds without commenting on the backhaul link.

Other things equal, cellsite performance with fibre backhaul is different to a cellsite provisioned with digital microwave backhaul, say. I see telecom's /newnetwork page quotes average speeds of 3Mbs down, 1Mbs up (they quote 5-800kbps for current EVDO I beleive), not silly maximum speeds that are only ever observed in the lab.

It's likely that 3G MBB will perform about the same as your adsl and be more expensive. Also I think the telecom 3G build is HSPA+ although I could be wrong on this ;-)

The commerce commission has issued ISP advertising guidelines to avoid prosecution under the fair trading act to the effect that where speeds are quoted for wired broadband they must be those reasonably expected to be experienced by the majority of customers.

If cellular carriers continue to quote theoretical in-the-lab maximums (7.2 this, 14.4 that) which are quite unlikely to be experienced by customers in the field I expect the guidelines will be explicitly extended to mobile broadband.

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Oh I wasn't expecting to actually be able to acheive those speeds, just following the general rule that higher theoretical speeds means higher actual speeds. 

i.e. ADSL gives theoretical speed of up to 8mb/s but I get 2Mb/s.  ADSL2+ gives theortical 24MB/s, but most people get betwee 8 and 15 and so on.


The 3MB/s average quoted is still higher than I have ever seen at home :D and will be until my place gets cabinitised in Jan 2012 (over three years away).    The 1Mb/s upload average is ten times faster than my current upload average.

Also the numbers quoted may be for HSPA at launch, which might not be nationwide at that time, so could go up later if that is the case.

(HSPA+  = Evolved HSPA according to the wiki link)

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