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  Reply # 200490 10-Mar-2009 22:16
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NealR: What this means is that you need 4-6 times as many 2100MHz cell sites as you would 850MHz cell sites to cover the same area. So 2100MHz cell sites don't actually have more capacity, there are just more of them.


I have to mention that if a 2100 MHz network is limited to urban/suburban areas, where the existing network sites are relatively closely spaced, the additional 2100-only sites required are nowhere near 4-6 times the existing sites. AFAIR both Vodafone & Telecom are only deploying 2100 to built-up areas where the cost assoiciated with the smaller footprint make sense.

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  Reply # 200493 10-Mar-2009 22:19
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Scratchpro:
As the phone has this WCDMA setting will it be able to connect with Telecoms new network and will there be some kind of Sim card?


We have a HTC TyTN II here that we use for testing, and it seems to work quite well on the new network.

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  Reply # 200554 11-Mar-2009 10:12
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freitasm: The largest telco in Australia, Telstra, is completely WCDMA 850MHz, as well as AT&T U.S... This means a lot of the incoming roaming will have no problem getting into the new network. Also most phones will be 2100MHz/850MHz anyway...



I would still think that tactically, not having WCDMA2100Mhz  (at first anyway) would be a tactically wrong choice for Telecom, missing an oppportunity to finally lure loads of customers over.

The main barrier to people changing across to a new mobile operator, is the problem "I would need a new mobile".  Most 3G phones sold now support WCDMA 2100Mhz, most people with 3G mobiles now support WCDMA 2100Mhz, but not WCDMA 850Mhz (just look on trademe).

And yes, there will be more phones coming from the American market that will support 850Mhz, but for roaming customers and for those that bring in their own phone from europe or asia (and there's a huge chunk of them), most likely their phones will only be supporting WCDMA 900Mhz and 2100Mhz...


No doubt 850Mhz will work, but from now till the end of 2010, WCDMA 2100Mhz is still a most widely used standard.


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  Reply # 200597 11-Mar-2009 13:15
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jesseycy:
freitasm: The largest telco in Australia, Telstra, is completely WCDMA 850MHz, as well as AT&T U.S... This means a lot of the incoming roaming will have no problem getting into the new network. Also most phones will be 2100MHz/850MHz anyway...



I would still think that tactically, not having WCDMA2100Mhz  (at first anyway) would be a tactically wrong choice for Telecom, missing an oppportunity to finally lure loads of customers over.

The main barrier to people changing across to a new mobile operator, is the problem "I would need a new mobile".  Most 3G phones sold now support WCDMA 2100Mhz, most people with 3G mobiles now support WCDMA 2100Mhz, but not WCDMA 850Mhz (just look on trademe).

And yes, there will be more phones coming from the American market that will support 850Mhz, but for roaming customers and for those that bring in their own phone from europe or asia (and there's a huge chunk of them), most likely their phones will only be supporting WCDMA 900Mhz and 2100Mhz...


No doubt 850Mhz will work, but from now till the end of 2010, WCDMA 2100Mhz is still a most widely used standard.



I dont really think the above is an issue for Telecom. They will convert existing base and gain clients from Vodafone etc plus will get EVERY SINGLE TELSTRA NEXT G roamer who hops off a plane as there phones will default to Telecom.

In bound roaming is not as big a deal as you think, keys for Telecom are mobile broadband speed, handset range and performance. w850 will give them the speed with the worlds fastest 3G network Nextg as the bench mark on w850. Handsets, there are plenty out there and the list is growing and soon the tri UMTS using 850/900/2100 or 850/900/1900 etc will be an option. The overall performance will be better than the competitors network at launch and will most likely continue to dominate for some time.

SIM only connections are good but not a driving force for Telecom. Note though a lot of Apple Iphone 3g customers are chomping at the bit for w850 to launch so they can get there phone to work as it should.





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  Reply # 200602 11-Mar-2009 13:30
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I think it's also important to note that Telstra mentioned a couple of weeks back that they will be upgrading their max speed from 14mbps down (or there abouts) to 20 then 40 (if i recall) in the near future, I belive they will be using LTE technology, the next step up from 3G, they will be the first in the world to do it and handsets are already being made to support this.

I'm sure telecom will soon follow, deploying LTE which will then offer a good alternative to fixed line broadband in rural areas.

Take a look at this LTE drive test demo (obviously it's just a demo) from Nortel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTX4ixta17E . I believe telecom use Nortel equipment as Alcatel-Lucent bought the 3G technology from Nortel a couple of years ago, so I wouldn't be suprised to see this deployed in the next couple of years in telecoms network.

EDIT: Here is the link to the press release with regards to telstra upgrade http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10557137




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  Reply # 200605 11-Mar-2009 13:41
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I saw an article a couple of weeks ago stating that Telecom plans to trial LTE next year. Could be interesting :)

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  Reply # 200606 11-Mar-2009 13:44
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icepicknz: I think it's also important to note that Telstra mentioned a couple of weeks back that they will be upgrading their max speed from 14mbps down (or there abouts) to 20 then 40 (if i recall) in the near future, I belive they will be using LTE technology, the next step up from 3G, they will be the first in the world to do it and handsets are already being made to support this. [...]


Verizon in the US announced just before the MWC that they'll be launching LTE this year.





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  Reply # 200608 11-Mar-2009 13:45
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icepicknz: I think it's also important to note that Telstra mentioned a couple of weeks back that they will be upgrading their max speed from 14mbps down (or there abouts) to 20 then 40 (if i recall) in the near future, I belive they will be using LTE technology, the next step up from 3G, they will be the first in the world to do it and handsets are already being made to support this.

I'm sure telecom will soon follow, deploying LTE which will then offer a good alternative to fixed line broadband in rural areas.

Take a look at this LTE drive test demo (obviously it's just a demo) from Nortel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTX4ixta17E . I believe telecom use Nortel equipment as Alcatel-Lucent bought the 3G technology from Nortel a couple of years ago, so I wouldn't be suprised to see this deployed in the next couple of years in telecoms network.

EDIT: Here is the link to the press release with regards to telstra upgrade http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10557137


Bang on, Telstra now operating at 21mbps HSPA+ with the first HSPA + USB card to support these speeds, the Sierra wireless USB306 due any time soon. I hope Telecom lauches with this card as it will support HSPA + from start even if they dont initially have HSPA +.

LTE is looking like it will run in the 700-750mhz freq range there for not a traditional mobile freq. In the states once the Analogue TV channels are turned off next year Verizon are launching a nationwide LTE service. interesting





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