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Topic # 31131 5-Mar-2009 20:38
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I have never had a fax before, but I have decided I will get one for a play around with.

I called a Telecom store who said to call 123 as stores don't deal with fax machines and services.

So I called 123, got the run down on it, and to be honest, I don't believe what I was told.

They said that plugging a fax into the wall socket without having the faxablility service will not work. So I called back 123 and asked someone else the same question and they said the same thing.

I can understand why one might want the faxability service, but I would have thought a fax would still be able to be used on a standard homeline connection? So are they correct, or were they trying to upsell a service that I do not really need?

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  Reply # 199475 5-Mar-2009 20:43
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step 1: buy fax
step 2: plug in
step 3: enjoy

Telecom were trying to sell you on a service that you do not need to use a fax, but may want for ease of use with incoming faxes.

Faxability, assuming the fax supports it, will send a distinct ring on a seperate number to your fax letting it know to pick up, rather than having your normal phone ring. Most faxes today support faxability.


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  Reply # 199476 5-Mar-2009 20:48
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Faxing will work over any ordinary analog line, are they trying to sell you a second number to put the fax machine on?

My parents did not call telecom when they bought a fax machine and just have it on their normal phone line,  if they pick up the phone in another part of the house they just push *9* if its a fax and the fax machine will take over.

I use VIOP so my fax's get emailed to me.

If you want a fax machine best to avoide telecom and look in other of the other shops like DSE Noel lemmings etc

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  Reply # 199479 5-Mar-2009 20:56
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And dont get a used thermal transfer one without seeing how much is left on the roll in it, since the cost of a roll is almost what the machines sell for new...




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  Reply # 199483 5-Mar-2009 20:59
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I have a second line already, which is why I couldn't understand the need for splitting one for fax. The second line only exists to provide broadband, so I thought a fax would be a good thing to play with.

But yeah they weren't saying its a good idea to get faxability, they outright said a fax would not work. So thats why I thought I would check with some unbiased people about it.

I only know one person with a fax, and theirs rings as normal, and after 6 rings it goes to voicemail and fax starts.

I'm looking at something like a Panasonic FC175 or FC231, or the like, something with a cordless handset.

However it seems they may be more expensive to operate, in terms of ink rolls, than say a thermal fax. Any advice there, or comments about good models and crap models of fax?

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  Reply # 199497 5-Mar-2009 21:19
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so you have a second line which you already pay for a second phone number on? Or do yo have a central splitter with the extra jackpoint just for your adsl modem?



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  Reply # 199499 5-Mar-2009 21:26
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Yeah I have a second line with its own number. Got it connected as mobile broadband was getting a bit pricy always exceeding 1GB/month.

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  Reply # 199507 5-Mar-2009 21:36
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You could have just run ADSL over your 1st phoneline saving the extra $20 per month... Unless you have a need for a separate line??

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  Reply # 199528 5-Mar-2009 22:34
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Comradehunt: I'm looking at something like a Panasonic FC175 or FC231, or the like, something with a cordless handset.

However it seems they may be more expensive to operate, in terms of ink rolls, than say a thermal fax. Any advice there, or comments about good models and crap models of fax?

AFAIK, nobody makes thermal faxes any more.  They are all Inkjet or Laser-based now.

Laser will be the cheapest to operate, but costs more initially.  Laser prints also do not run if they get water spilt on them, which can be a problem with inkjet prints.

We had a Panasonic fax in our business for many years and it never missed a beat.  Then moved to a Ricoh Aficio Printer/Copier/Fax which was excellent too.  Now we have a Brother Printer/Scanner/Fax/Copier which is OK for home use, but the fax occasionally has compatibility issues with some brands of fax machine at the other end.  The paper feed on the Brother is another weak point, but it is very cheap to run compared to other inkjet printers I have owned.

If you can spare the $$$, I would definitely say go for the Panasonic, you won't regret it.

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  Reply # 199529 5-Mar-2009 22:41
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Yeah, but there are plenty used still on trademe etc, and the transfer ribbons cost more then the machines sometimes, although the non OEM ribbons are about $20 for a couple, I dont know if they perform as well. I have had a bad experiance in the past with one that would peel off the paper. Oops.

They are great for light users, whereas the inkjets just sit there going thru the ink keeping themselves from drying out, and if they do and a fax comes in yore are left with a streaky mess that you may or may not be able to reprint.

If you get one with a cordless on it, it seems that the designers are just plain dumb because they ring for the fax ring as well, negating any possible benifit for joining the 2 together.




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  Reply # 199531 5-Mar-2009 22:43
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A note on thermal film faxes (not thermal paper, the film transfer ones)

We have one, and when there is extreme humidity (like the 100% Auckland had a few weeks ago) the film can get stuck on the heating rod, and then if a fax comes through, it melts and sticks the thing on. Had that happen 3 times already this year.

Thank goodness they have memory, otherwise we would have lost the transmission for good.


We like the thermal paper ones - they are basically 99% reliable, and we don't mind if it's on continuous rolls. We had a Panasonic one of that kind and it lasted 10 years. The film one we have now is also a Panasonic, had it for around 3 years.




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  Reply # 199536 5-Mar-2009 23:04
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RICHMS - Can you expand on "one that would peel off the paper"? What model fax do you have (if you know)?

I know how a normal laser printer works, but I'm not familiar with how these film transfer faxes work.

MANHINLI - "it melts and sticks the thing on", so when this happens, what occurs - do you mean you get a page thats all black, or do you mean things get all messy/chewed up inside the fax?

I like the idea of thermal paper best, as I assume they are most reliable, and thermal paper is cheap, and will always be available, where thermal transfer film may become obsolete before the fax/phone konks out. However I would like a cordless, but I've only seen a few models of them around (I have only seen Panasonic varieties so far).

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  Reply # 199538 5-Mar-2009 23:16
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Comradehunt: I have never had a fax before, but I have decided I will get one for a play around with.


Do you need a fax, or do you just want to play with one for some weird reason?  Either way you can probably take my old one if you're in auckland.... it uses plain paper and HP compatible inkjet cartridges and as of last week its on the floor gathering dust!




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  Reply # 199542 5-Mar-2009 23:30
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I mean that the transfer to the paper was not done very well, and if you folded the page it would come off at the fold, or if you picked at it with your fingernail.

Not had the problem with the bunching up, and my offer of the old panasonic is still there, its a bit iffy with feeding but I think it just needs a clean of the rubber rollers like anything of that age does. It has the menu option for things like ringing etc, not tested it tho, tried to do a copy on it and I had to help the paper in to it




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  Reply # 199545 5-Mar-2009 23:52
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Regs:
Comradehunt: I have never had a fax before, but I have decided I will get one for a play around with.


Do you need a fax, or do you just want to play with one for some weird reason?  Either way you can probably take my old one if you're in auckland.... it uses plain paper and HP compatible inkjet cartridges and as of last week its on the floor gathering dust!


Yeah I do need one. Back in the day when I had dial up I used to send them from my PC. Recently I have been paying people $5 a page to send them for me, so I suppose in the long run its worth buying one seen nobody seems to rate them very high in value.

I am in Timaru. It actually suprises me even now how many places I strike that have documents that they require to be faxed, ie they won't accept scans by email or pdf files or anthing except hard copy or fax.

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  Reply # 199549 5-Mar-2009 23:57
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2talk fax to email works both ways - but the format of the .tiff is problematic sometimes, best to send it to yourself and check it comes thru first and is readable - works really well, and is cheap as (I think its free on a 028 number - costs the sender to you if they send you stuff - serves em right for being luddites)




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